kaz2107
06-09-2007, 01:23 AM
This will be my 2nd post on moving up and that is because i think it is tha most important part of being here. [censored] this is micro. we should all be shooting to move to ssnl or higher asap. here is a link to the old one for those of you who are not retro or just forgot/missed it.
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I was reading one of my new Brand Jordan magazines while i was traveling to miami this week and this quote seemed to relate a ton how i am lookin at poker at the moment and one of the problems i see with so many that are struggling with poker and not having the success that others r having. It is from a man named Gentry Humphrey who is the category business director for footwear for brand jordan. The question was what he though the company needed and planned to do to stay on the top as one of the best shoe brands in the world. this is his answere:
"We look at the industry and i think this isnt just our industry; if you look at people who are successfull, they are not affraid of change. you take tiger tiger woods, who wins the 100th annual 1997 Masters by a record 12 strokes... and comes back the next year and changes his whole swing completely so that he can be better. he might have gone through a little bit of rough times to get their, but ultimatly the good ones do that and they find ways to reinivent themselves. and so really thats what we are going to do and people i think underestimate that. people will always say "if it aint broke dont fix it," but a lot of time you do have to fix it if you want to get to the next level and make it. eventually if you keep doing the same thing the wave is going to die out. if you figure out the way to change things up, you can hit new heights that you didnt even know existed. thats a big part of what our future is going to be; figure out a couple new ways to reinvent ourselves and so ive got some ideas on how we are going to do that. for some people its going to rub them wrong a little bit because it is change and you know whenever you have change some people dont except it. i think in the end just like the great ones we are going to prevail by making some very big changes."
This is one of the problems i see in so many. People who are unwilling to take chances and "fix what isnt broken." This is MICRO nl thus there is plenty to move on to. i understand that some people dont want to deal with the vairence of moving up and are content with how things are at 25nl or 50nl or w/e but there is little difference. as i have been moving up i cant tell too much of a change from even 50nl up to where i am now 200nl. i really dont see much of a change. there are a few more regs but still plenty of fish and plenty of bad regs who can be easily exploited. yes people get more aggressive but that is fine. they arent good aggressive so it doenst matter. the number of "good" aggros is few and far between (or else they too would have move up to bigger and better things)
i have heard lots of rumblings recently about party and havent paid much notice tbh. i saw ama made a post about it but since i live in US i didnt read it (sorry ama) so if this is tha same as wut he said sorry. so party isnt as easy as it used to be for some. i attribute a lot of that to people changing their game and adapting while other said "hmm 6bb/100 ship that [censored]. i am content with this and dont need to change a thing." while other were out their making adjustments and learning how to cope with the players where were content. some changed and others did not. that is horrible. u let tards catch up and will now have to put in more work to get ahead again. while this sounds crappy it isnt that big of a problem. u have 2p2 thus u r being feed knowledge on a silver plate. so easy if u r willing to work.
i honestly think there are a decent amount of posters here who have the ability to play as high as 200nl (probably higher but i cant say that since i have very few hands higher then this.) the problem i see is that people are falling into certain set backs that will not allow them to make this move and thus stay at a certain limit and as a micro player. altho this isnt the worst thing in the world it is rather rediculous because you are basically losing money by not moving up and who wants to just burn money over what i see to be elementary problems. here are a few things i notice that can be reasonably easy to correct imo.
1. Nut pedaling
-Yes this works GREAT at 50nl and u can 21283289 table playin 15/13 and be a good winner at 50nl. who cares tho really. imo i think the most profitable preflop stats to maximize your winrate is something around 24/20-26/22. if you can play that preflop range well and handle those amounts of hands postflop i think you are maximizing you value of playing at these stakes and against these fish. this is obv not that easy and takes time to adjust. yes it will suck at first and may not even be as profitable to begin but again who cares really. so u have a crappy month at 25 or 50nl. it will pay off 10 fold if u break even while getting used to play this new style for an entire month if tha next month u kill 50nl for 9bb/100 and are able to move up to 100nl towards the end of the month and have realtively the same success at that limit. take a step back to take 5 steps forward. Dont be scared to change. embrace it and love it. we should all be changing things EVERY sesh we play. none of us are that great (even tho gelford is +ev at almost everything /images/graemlins/wink.gif) and thus we should b lookin for perfection. this involves makin big changes at times. even tho you might b a solid winning player there is always merit in makin a change or two to your game in hopes that u get even better. yea it often will not work out perfectely at the begining but long term it is for the best. dont be short sighted. poker is a game of the long term and i think we all need to make choices that will reflec this idea and maximize our chances at the highest success.
when i first made the commitment to open my game and make a change from my normal 18/15/4 it was rough (and still at times is /images/graemlins/smile.gif) there are tons of things i wasnt used to thus had no idea how to approach them in the most +ev mannor. that is why it takes so much time and work to do this. there are infinite situations in poker and when u play more preflop u get in sooooo many new spots and there are sooooo many of them it take some time to play thru each of them a few times and realize how the tards at your table are actually responding. you have to have a feel for how people are playing back inorder for this to work and that can take a ton of time. thus i suggest...
2. Playing to many tables
- great you can 12 table. again tho it doesnt matter if u can 12 table 25nl. why not drop off to 5 or 6 tables and move up to 50nl. it is a +EV move long term. i kno that tons of people say "awww man tha regs suck balls and i take advantage of them all the time" but i have rarely seen many people who do this on a consistent basis. drop the number of tables you play and see how rediculously exploitable most people are. it is amazing how much money you can make from paying attention a bit more and owning those 12 tablers all night long while they wallow around at their 4 bb/100 and dont have a [censored] clue who you are and how badly u own them. i played the fewest amount of hands and hours last month and yet got much much better and had a better win rate then ever before. seems like a GREAT trade off to me.
3. play when you feel like playing
-the people who play their 50k hands a month just make me chuckle for the most part. i guarantee ur win rate suffers a ton because of this. yea everyone is tired or bored or burnt out or w/e at times. dont play when u feel like this. do sumthing else ffs. why play break even poker. take tha day off and do sumtin fun. life EV translates to poker EV. they relate whether u think so or not. it always makes tha down swings much less a problem when u kno u have other things u enjoy doing afterwards or w/e and u do infact have other things to do. just think quality over quantity. that is key. play video games or sumtin if u feel to tired to play well. it will work out better long term for poker and ur life if u do this.
4. overall nittyness
- i hear people sayin how they dont want tha swings of movin up and dont want the stress. YOU ARE BURNING MONEY!!! the next level isnt that much tougher and as long as you practice good bankroll management and dont have to live off the monies there is no reason to not make moves up. if u run crappy or w/e then move back down. it will make ur current level super easy and u will b ready to move up soon. the swings arent that bad and i am willing to bet if most of u didnt see wut limit u were playin/how much money u were playing and just seeing bbs u would b able to move up a limit or 2 instantely. it is a mental block that just needs to be overcome. we all love money here and there is no reason almost all of us shouldnt b movin up at a much quicker rate.
in conclusion i kno thie is kinda sporadic and a bit of a soap box but i really think most of you that i kno anything about are much better then the avg player at 100nl and 200nl. it is just a few minor things that are holding us back from what should be all of our goals... making more monies in less time. so i encourage u all to make changes and takes risks and look failure straight in the eye when it comes to poker because i think success will b that much better for us all.
hope this helps some people out and give some stuff for everyone to at least consider and think about. ive gotta get up in 5 hours to go down to key west with tha fam tomorow but i will answere questions on either thread as soon as i have some time and internet access so ask away.
Moving Up To 100nl By Kaz2107 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=microplnl&Number=8875005& Searchpage=1&Main=8871089&Words=kaz+%5C%2B100nl+%5 C%2Bmoving++%5C%2Bjourney&topic=&Search=true#Post8 875005)
I was reading one of my new Brand Jordan magazines while i was traveling to miami this week and this quote seemed to relate a ton how i am lookin at poker at the moment and one of the problems i see with so many that are struggling with poker and not having the success that others r having. It is from a man named Gentry Humphrey who is the category business director for footwear for brand jordan. The question was what he though the company needed and planned to do to stay on the top as one of the best shoe brands in the world. this is his answere:
"We look at the industry and i think this isnt just our industry; if you look at people who are successfull, they are not affraid of change. you take tiger tiger woods, who wins the 100th annual 1997 Masters by a record 12 strokes... and comes back the next year and changes his whole swing completely so that he can be better. he might have gone through a little bit of rough times to get their, but ultimatly the good ones do that and they find ways to reinivent themselves. and so really thats what we are going to do and people i think underestimate that. people will always say "if it aint broke dont fix it," but a lot of time you do have to fix it if you want to get to the next level and make it. eventually if you keep doing the same thing the wave is going to die out. if you figure out the way to change things up, you can hit new heights that you didnt even know existed. thats a big part of what our future is going to be; figure out a couple new ways to reinvent ourselves and so ive got some ideas on how we are going to do that. for some people its going to rub them wrong a little bit because it is change and you know whenever you have change some people dont except it. i think in the end just like the great ones we are going to prevail by making some very big changes."
This is one of the problems i see in so many. People who are unwilling to take chances and "fix what isnt broken." This is MICRO nl thus there is plenty to move on to. i understand that some people dont want to deal with the vairence of moving up and are content with how things are at 25nl or 50nl or w/e but there is little difference. as i have been moving up i cant tell too much of a change from even 50nl up to where i am now 200nl. i really dont see much of a change. there are a few more regs but still plenty of fish and plenty of bad regs who can be easily exploited. yes people get more aggressive but that is fine. they arent good aggressive so it doenst matter. the number of "good" aggros is few and far between (or else they too would have move up to bigger and better things)
i have heard lots of rumblings recently about party and havent paid much notice tbh. i saw ama made a post about it but since i live in US i didnt read it (sorry ama) so if this is tha same as wut he said sorry. so party isnt as easy as it used to be for some. i attribute a lot of that to people changing their game and adapting while other said "hmm 6bb/100 ship that [censored]. i am content with this and dont need to change a thing." while other were out their making adjustments and learning how to cope with the players where were content. some changed and others did not. that is horrible. u let tards catch up and will now have to put in more work to get ahead again. while this sounds crappy it isnt that big of a problem. u have 2p2 thus u r being feed knowledge on a silver plate. so easy if u r willing to work.
i honestly think there are a decent amount of posters here who have the ability to play as high as 200nl (probably higher but i cant say that since i have very few hands higher then this.) the problem i see is that people are falling into certain set backs that will not allow them to make this move and thus stay at a certain limit and as a micro player. altho this isnt the worst thing in the world it is rather rediculous because you are basically losing money by not moving up and who wants to just burn money over what i see to be elementary problems. here are a few things i notice that can be reasonably easy to correct imo.
1. Nut pedaling
-Yes this works GREAT at 50nl and u can 21283289 table playin 15/13 and be a good winner at 50nl. who cares tho really. imo i think the most profitable preflop stats to maximize your winrate is something around 24/20-26/22. if you can play that preflop range well and handle those amounts of hands postflop i think you are maximizing you value of playing at these stakes and against these fish. this is obv not that easy and takes time to adjust. yes it will suck at first and may not even be as profitable to begin but again who cares really. so u have a crappy month at 25 or 50nl. it will pay off 10 fold if u break even while getting used to play this new style for an entire month if tha next month u kill 50nl for 9bb/100 and are able to move up to 100nl towards the end of the month and have realtively the same success at that limit. take a step back to take 5 steps forward. Dont be scared to change. embrace it and love it. we should all be changing things EVERY sesh we play. none of us are that great (even tho gelford is +ev at almost everything /images/graemlins/wink.gif) and thus we should b lookin for perfection. this involves makin big changes at times. even tho you might b a solid winning player there is always merit in makin a change or two to your game in hopes that u get even better. yea it often will not work out perfectely at the begining but long term it is for the best. dont be short sighted. poker is a game of the long term and i think we all need to make choices that will reflec this idea and maximize our chances at the highest success.
when i first made the commitment to open my game and make a change from my normal 18/15/4 it was rough (and still at times is /images/graemlins/smile.gif) there are tons of things i wasnt used to thus had no idea how to approach them in the most +ev mannor. that is why it takes so much time and work to do this. there are infinite situations in poker and when u play more preflop u get in sooooo many new spots and there are sooooo many of them it take some time to play thru each of them a few times and realize how the tards at your table are actually responding. you have to have a feel for how people are playing back inorder for this to work and that can take a ton of time. thus i suggest...
2. Playing to many tables
- great you can 12 table. again tho it doesnt matter if u can 12 table 25nl. why not drop off to 5 or 6 tables and move up to 50nl. it is a +EV move long term. i kno that tons of people say "awww man tha regs suck balls and i take advantage of them all the time" but i have rarely seen many people who do this on a consistent basis. drop the number of tables you play and see how rediculously exploitable most people are. it is amazing how much money you can make from paying attention a bit more and owning those 12 tablers all night long while they wallow around at their 4 bb/100 and dont have a [censored] clue who you are and how badly u own them. i played the fewest amount of hands and hours last month and yet got much much better and had a better win rate then ever before. seems like a GREAT trade off to me.
3. play when you feel like playing
-the people who play their 50k hands a month just make me chuckle for the most part. i guarantee ur win rate suffers a ton because of this. yea everyone is tired or bored or burnt out or w/e at times. dont play when u feel like this. do sumthing else ffs. why play break even poker. take tha day off and do sumtin fun. life EV translates to poker EV. they relate whether u think so or not. it always makes tha down swings much less a problem when u kno u have other things u enjoy doing afterwards or w/e and u do infact have other things to do. just think quality over quantity. that is key. play video games or sumtin if u feel to tired to play well. it will work out better long term for poker and ur life if u do this.
4. overall nittyness
- i hear people sayin how they dont want tha swings of movin up and dont want the stress. YOU ARE BURNING MONEY!!! the next level isnt that much tougher and as long as you practice good bankroll management and dont have to live off the monies there is no reason to not make moves up. if u run crappy or w/e then move back down. it will make ur current level super easy and u will b ready to move up soon. the swings arent that bad and i am willing to bet if most of u didnt see wut limit u were playin/how much money u were playing and just seeing bbs u would b able to move up a limit or 2 instantely. it is a mental block that just needs to be overcome. we all love money here and there is no reason almost all of us shouldnt b movin up at a much quicker rate.
in conclusion i kno thie is kinda sporadic and a bit of a soap box but i really think most of you that i kno anything about are much better then the avg player at 100nl and 200nl. it is just a few minor things that are holding us back from what should be all of our goals... making more monies in less time. so i encourage u all to make changes and takes risks and look failure straight in the eye when it comes to poker because i think success will b that much better for us all.
hope this helps some people out and give some stuff for everyone to at least consider and think about. ive gotta get up in 5 hours to go down to key west with tha fam tomorow but i will answere questions on either thread as soon as i have some time and internet access so ask away.