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pena
06-08-2007, 09:41 AM
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $10.00
BB: $3.05
UTG: $11.80
CO: $17.75
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $10.20</font>

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">basically unknown (21 hands)</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB folds, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.45) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.20</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $17.65</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $20.30 ($0.20 Rake)

I thought my trips with weak kicker wasn't enough.
Was I right? Too tight? What do you think?

Waingro
06-08-2007, 10:11 AM
Think about this, how often have you seen any villain play trips this fast? In a limped pot no less, I guess draw or overpair is much more likely.

pena
06-08-2007, 10:43 AM
I thought about an overpair at the moment, but then I thought also, would he just limped in CO w/ 77+? I wouldn't.

losingdonkey
06-08-2007, 10:48 AM
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but then I thought also, would he just limped in CO w/ 77+? I wouldn't.

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so do you have a read that he played well and raised pocket pairs? I have seen many unknowns limp with a whole variety of hands 22-AA.

Waingro
06-08-2007, 10:49 AM
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I thought about overpair at the moment, but then I thought would he just limped in CO w/ 77+? I wouldn't.

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At this level close to 50% limp or mini-raise with their big pairs for "deception". They also want to see that there is no overcards for their pairs before they go crazy. No Ace? Aaaall in. Most of your opponents donīt read 2p2.

monkeymaps
06-08-2007, 11:09 AM
meh I dont really like flop c/r i just lead. I would prob call this but I dont like that villain cant wait to get 100bb+into the pot.
Everyone says that no one plays trips/FH this fast but your pretty much saying with your c/r "im felting this" so a hand that beats you prob pushes here.

I call but I dont think getting it in here in a limp pot is all that great.

robsmith82
06-08-2007, 11:31 AM
I'd have to call this. I play primarily at 10NL, and theres too many hands besides the 6 that your opponent could have.

I agree that you should be betting this flop too, not check raising. Its far more deceptive as well, as most opponents expect you to slowplay or checkraise trips. When you bet out, they often disregard it.

pena
06-08-2007, 11:50 AM
(I didn't c/r, I raised.)

thawannabe
06-08-2007, 12:00 PM
I would call on the end. Otherwise you played it fine. There are just too many hands that he pushes that u beat (i.e. pp's, and nut flush draws). Without a read i think you have to call and are prolly ahead of his range.

creamfillin
06-08-2007, 12:01 PM
No one at this level 4BAI's without a 6/55 here, unless the guy's been a TOTAL maniac, pretty standard fold IMO.

ama0330
06-08-2007, 12:09 PM
Wow I havent played 10nl in a while but I could never fold this

monkeymaps
06-08-2007, 12:51 PM
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(I didn't c/r, I raised.)

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ooops sorry misread OP like a said id call here I think your def ahead &gt;50% of the time but not as often as youd think.

Jer672
06-08-2007, 01:29 PM
I think i practically insta call here cause i can see him having a hand like 77-TT very easily. Higher pairs would usually raise from the CO. I think the limp for deception technique is usually used from EP. I would be worried about A6 the most because i think hands like 96-K6 usually just get folded (though this is usually villain dependent as i have seem some calling stations limp with ATC). In the 21 hands you have been with villain have you seen him limp very often?

In conclusion...I call and do a fistpump but punch myself if he has A6

orig!naL
06-08-2007, 01:46 PM
meh.. in 10NL I fold this PF. What are you looking to flop, a flush? Playing in un-raised pots post-flop is very dangerous and thats why if you're going to mess around in a pot in position raise it up and take out these limper's (at the very least your gaining a lot of value information and you can be fairly certain they didn't hit this flop if they call your raise.

As played, I have to call this shove.