Horrible Board for KK

[Raxor101]

I don't know much about the villian. I only have 20 hands on him and he hasn't done anything unusual, leaning towards lag but not many hands on him. My image is probably tag.

I really really hated this flop and didn't know what to do. Thoughts on the flop? The turn card was better for me but I still thought I was probably only beating QQ. I felt I messed this hand up, please help.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $9.30
BB: $51.50
UTG: $74.75
CO: $63.30
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $59.45</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.50</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $5.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16.25) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $10.50</font>, Hero calls $10.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($37.25) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets all-in for $45.30</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $82.55 ($1.80 Rake)

/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Tevac]

Not a lot you could do. He played a strong hand all along. Probably JJ or TT preflop (although you can even see 66 sometimes). The flop bet looks to me like a hidden set.
The Turn bet looks a bit odd; if he really has the nuts (full house or Quads), I would have expected a smaller bet.

We will never now, IMHO nothing you should worry about.

[Jamougha]

He has a draw.

[Oasis88]

Why not raise the flop?

[Perk76]

[ QUOTE ]
Why not raise the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

Raise on the flop is basically a push. You beat 1 hand IMO and thats QQ. His range is AA/KK/QQ/JJ/1010/66, and since you have no reads yet think he might be a LAG possibly AQ clubs maybe. After calling the flop and he fires the turn, I think your beat and can fold.

[Tevac]

[ QUOTE ]
He has a draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry for a maybe dumb question: Why is that so clear?
Thanks.

[Oasis88]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Why not raise the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

His range is AA/KK/QQ/JJ/1010/66

[/ QUOTE ]

This range seems too narrow, not sure by how much, but narrow nevertheless.

[CaptVimes]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
He has a draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry for a maybe dumb question: Why is that so clear?
Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would he push with JJ, 66, TT or JT, he wants us to put more money in the pot with those hands and really has low risk of hero out drawing him. Push is a scared bet, but its not just a draw that does this. Villain is OOP and hating life if he has a single pair hand. If this was the flop I would give the draw more weight but its still in his range.

[Raxor101]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
He has a draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry for a maybe dumb question: Why is that so clear?
Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would he push with JJ, 66, TT or JT, he wants us to put more money in the pot with those hands and really has low risk of hero out drawing him. Push is a scared bet, but its not just a draw that does this. Villain is OOP and hating life if he has a single pair hand. If this was the flop I would give the draw more weight but its still in his range.

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree a draw is in his range but not a large enough part of it to call - or at least that is what I thought during the hand.

The reason I think he "could" push JJ JT 66 TT hands that want calls is because a small bet looks too sus. If he bets like $25 it is going to be really obvious that he isn't folding on the river and that all the money is going in. Any turn bet commits him to the pot. So perhaps he could be doing this with a boat so I think he is on a draw?

[C4LL4W4Y]

This flop is probably one of the greatest you can see for KK, because you're getting action from a ton of hands. His range isn't only sets, JT6cc boards hit a ton of hands.

[wulfpacker21]

i would have re-raised on the flop.... that would have given you a better understanding of what you were up against he could be callin you w/ AJ or a10

[Raxor101]

[ QUOTE ]
This flop is probably one of the greatest you can see for KK, because you're getting action from a ton of hands. His range isn't only sets, JT6cc boards hit a ton of hands.

[/ QUOTE ]
How many of those hands are calling a 3-bet OOP? Of the non set hands I think it is AA, QQ, AK and AQs? AJ maybe? How many of the hands that have called that large 3-bet OOP are then firing on the flop and turn?

I really don't know and would like to learn.

[orig!naL]

I would seriously consider calling and here is why:

pre-flop I would put his range calling your re-raise to something like AA-JJ (maybe TT), AK, AQs, AJs possibly KQs if he is a donk.

ok now lets look at the line here post-flop. He leads out and makes a strong bet, you call, at this point my thoughts are AA, QQ, JJ, TT, AJ, KQ - so right away I'm thinking he may have hit a set or he is on a draw.

turn comes out T and he shoves. At this point I'm doubtful he has a set anymore or FH. If he flopped a set that has now become quads or the FH and you have shown no signs of slowing down, do you really think he is just going to shove with the nuts? I don't. At this point I'm thinking he is more than likely on a draw or is holding AA, QQ, AJ and is getting desperate.

I'm not saying it's an easy call, but if I had a larger sample size on this villain and I had some reads he is very loose I think I'm calling here. It's so marginal though lol.

Anyone agree? Am I way off?