So what if I had a vision from God?

[Archon_Wing]

So I go to sleep, and I have a talk with God. He tells me that the end is near and that there are certain things that need to be done, and I have to tell everyone else. I was not under the influence of any drugs, and am rather convinced that this experience was real. Now, assuming that you did believe in God would you take me seriously? Why?

[Prodigy54321]

hells no

how many people in the world do you think believe that god has spoken to them in some way???

unless you are some crazy pluralist in this sense, you must admit that people believe this stuff happens when it really doesn't happen...

a friend and I once saw a car that was passing by another car, but never came out the other side...but I'm not going to assume that there was actually a ghost car rollin around by the Wendy's in Southern NJ...even though I have no way of explaining it...

[BIG NIGE]

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLEZ. GOD IS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND. WHEN YOU "SEE" OR "TALK" TO GOD, IT IS REALLY A MANIFESTATION OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN/HEARD SECOND-HAND ABOUT GOD FROM OTHER PEOPLE, AND THE "ORIGINAL" SOURCE MADE IT UP HIMSELF. SO THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT WHATEVER YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE MAKE UP. ITS MADE UP.

[PLOlover]

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So I go to sleep, and I have a talk with God. He tells me that the end is near and that there are certain things that need to be done, and I have to tell everyone else. I was not under the influence of any drugs, and am rather convinced that this experience was real. Now, assuming that you did believe in God would you take me seriously? Why?

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what specifically are you supposed to tell us? are the ueiga regs that bad?

[Archon_Wing]

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So I go to sleep, and I have a talk with God. He tells me that the end is near and that there are certain things that need to be done, and I have to tell everyone else. I was not under the influence of any drugs, and am rather convinced that this experience was real. Now, assuming that you did believe in God would you take me seriously? Why?

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what specifically are you supposed to tell us? are the ueiga regs that bad?

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Will that lend credibility to our cause? What will the fundies say if more than one person has such an idea?

[tarheeljks]

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GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLEZ. GOD IS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND. WHEN YOU "SEE" OR "TALK" TO GOD, IT IS REALLY A MANIFESTATION OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN/HEARD SECOND-HAND ABOUT GOD FROM OTHER PEOPLE, AND THE "ORIGINAL" SOURCE MADE IT UP HIMSELF. SO THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT WHATEVER YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE MAKE UP. ITS MADE UP.

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good thing you answered his question; why do you feel the need to type in all caps?

@archon: nothing even remotely similar to this has ever happened to me, so i have no idea. do i believe you had some kind of dream/vision? yeah, i don't see why you would have any reason to lie. do i believe it was god? i don't know. the brain does all sorts of weird things and a dream like that could mean a million things. either way i don't think you should be too concerned with what anyone else thinks about it, esp since most others (even those who believe in god) are apt to shut you down.

[tarheeljks]

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So I go to sleep, and I have a talk with God. He tells me that the end is near and that there are certain things that need to be done, and I have to tell everyone else. I was not under the influence of any drugs, and am rather convinced that this experience was real. Now, assuming that you did believe in God would you take me seriously? Why?

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what specifically are you supposed to tell us? are the ueiga regs that bad?

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Will that lend credibility to our cause?

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it might, are you a minister by chance?

[Archon_Wing]

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@archon: nothing even remotely similar to this has ever happened to me, so i have no idea. do i believe you had some kind of dream/vision? yeah, i don't see why you would have any reason to lie. do i believe it was god? i don't know. the brain does all sorts of weird things and a dream like that could mean a million things. either way i don't think you should be too concerned with what anyone else thinks about it, esp since most others (even those who believe in god) are apt to shut you down.

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The situation was hypothetical. In this situation it feels real enough that I am not lying. Now the easy answer is that I was delusional or crazy but what I'm intrested in is that how much it would take would take someone to give me credit. What if they scan my brain and it turns out that I am not crazy? What if other people have had similar episodes lately? What if my predictions turn out to be true? How specific would my predictions have to be?

Now obviously this question is no fun if you don't believe in God at all, so you atheists will have to use your imagination a little. What seperates me from people in the Bible that have had visions? Their peers must have thought they were insane. (Indeed, this is why they nailed Jesus to a cross) Is the only difference that they appeared in the Bible? IMO, if you were to accept that there was a God, then it is possible to communicate with Him.

Now you could end up rejecting my vision, but how long you give thought to it given certain amounts of evidence?

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it might, are you a minister by chance?

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Ah, nope.

[PLOlover]

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Will that lend credibility to our cause? What will the fundies say if more than one person has such an idea?

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god told you to ask us questions?

[PLOlover]

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Now obviously this question is no fun if you don't believe in God at all, so you atheists will have to use your imagination a little. What seperates me from people in the Bible that have had visions? Their peers must have thought they were insane. (Indeed, this is why they nailed Jesus to a cross) Is the only difference that they appeared in the Bible? IMO, if you were to accept that there was a God, then it is possible to communicate with Him.

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it says in the bible if you claim to be a prophet and you make a prediciton and your prediction is false then you are put to death.

so I guess if you are always right then you got no problems.

[Archon_Wing]

Well, it's a good thing we passed the days when they stoned people. Actually...

[Ohgod]

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it says in the bible if you claim to be a prophet and you make a prediciton and your prediction is false then you are put to death.

so I guess if you are always right then you got no problems.

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Or just make predictions with no date on them. People will be able to shoehorn anything to fit your prophecies hundreds of years later if they want to.

[aeest400]

You believe things because your brain is in a certain "belief state." Which is more likely, God is telling you to do X, Y, Z because he is too lazy to do it himself, or that your brain is simply in a belief state divorced from reality. I have thought/believed/experienced many wild things after ingesting certain chemicals. I did not believe I had become one with a cosmos, especially one where everything eats everything else, rather I thought myself, isn't it interesting what happens to the brain when you disrupt its normal function.

See, e.g., THE RIGHT TEMPORAL LOBE AND ASSOCIATED LIMBIC LOBE STRUCTURES AS THE BIOLOGICAL INTERFACE WITH AN INTERCONNECTED UNIVERSE (http://www.melvinmorse.com/e-tlp.htm)


THE BIOLOGICAL BASIS OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCES, OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES AND NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES

The mesial right temporal lobe, hippocampus, and associated limbic lobe structures are implicated as the biological substrates of out of body and religious experiences. The evidence for this includes studies of temporal lobe pathology, direct electrical stimulation studies, studies of temporal lobe epileptics, experimental studies of near death experiences(NDEs), and clinical studies comparing ketamine and LSD experiences and the actions of associated neurotransmitters within the human brain.

Early case reports demonstrated that tumors in the temporal regions were often associated with visual hallucinations. These hallucinations included visions of "a strange looking wicked looking woman in a dress", to "pictured scenes and mirages", to flashes of light and luminous objects.(Henschen 1925, Jackson 1889-90) For example, one report of a boy with a cystic glioma in the right temporal lobe resulted in a vivid three dimensional vision of a man dressed in white.(Cushing 1921). Kennedy was one of the first to identify vividly real hallucinations of an audio-visual nature, localized outside of the body as being temporal lobe in origin.(Kennedy 1911). ect, etc,...

[Bill Haywood]

Experienced this vision not under influence of drugs?

That's the problem. You NEED drugs. Start with lithium.

[oe39]

what if he was just appearing to complain about the 2012 olympics logo?

[Archon_Wing]

Then we're doomed!

On another note, how many times has the world supposed to have ended? Screw you nostradmus!