View Full Version : function; strange notation i've never seen
mikeczyz
06-04-2007, 05:52 PM
the problem is written as such:
a # b =a^2 +2ab +b^2; find x#2
what does x have to do with any of this?
edit: i think i just got it...substitute "x" for "a" and "2" for "b"
is that right?
flipdeadshot22
06-04-2007, 06:05 PM
correct
PairTheBoard
06-04-2007, 07:25 PM
They are defining # to be a binary operator like + or * .
Looks like # is commutative. Is is associative?
PairTheBoard
mikeczyz
06-04-2007, 07:29 PM
i don't really understand what your question is. however, i typed up the question as I found it in the workbook...nothing was omitted from my original post.
blah_blah
06-04-2007, 10:43 PM
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Is is associative?
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no.
PairTheBoard
06-04-2007, 11:56 PM
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i don't really understand what your question is. however, i typed up the question as I found it in the workbook...nothing was omitted from my original post.
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I observed that the binary operation a#b is commutative, ie.
a#b = b#a
I wondered if it was associative, ie
Is a#(b#c) = (a#b)#c ?
blah blah says he's worked it out and the answer is No.
Notice + and * are commutative and associative.
PairTheBoard
bigpooch
06-05-2007, 05:13 AM
If in the original post, + and . are taken in the usual
sense on the set of complex numbers, then clearly, # is
commutative and won't be associative ((a#b)#c will have a
term a^4, but a#(b#c) will have an a^2 term).
Now, if the "+" operation is commutative (as is usually the
case; it's usually the "addition" on some ring) and the "."
operation is ANY binary operation, then the operation "#" is
not commutative: (a#b)-(b#a) = 2[a.b-b.a]. There IS a
difference between the operation "#" and the operation "~",
if by definition, a~b = (a+b)^2 = (a+b).(a+b). Then, ~ is
commutative regardless of any properties of "." or not as
"pathological" as "#".
This leads me to wonder why "#" was explicitly defined as it
was, and not in the same way as "~" is defined above.
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