50NL: 77

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

<u>Hero (SB): $50.00</u>
BB: $93.15
UTG: $7.60
UTG+1: $32.85
MP1: $49.25
MP2: $100.25
CO: $37.35
<u>BTN: $153.60</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (8 Players)
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($8) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $25.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $46.50</font>, BTN calls $21.50

<font color="black">River:</font> ($101) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $101.00 ($3 Rake)

Please post comments and/or suggestions.

[Shizzle12345]

isnt this more standard then standard? Also is it normal to call 77 like this in full ring?

[danny8]

seems fine. I would usually raise pf, but sometimes i just call.

overbetting the pot might scare off a few hands but its unraised and you need to get your stack in, + it worked so nice one! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

you're up against aces up the majority of the time

[a breath of air]

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isnt this more standard then standard? Also is it normal to call 77 like this in full ring?

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I am not sure, I am fairly new to the game (started on 04/01/07). I almost always limp with small pairs (88-22) in any position trying to see the flop cheaply.

[Debaser]

Don't really like the flop and turn overbets on a drawless board but you got action and got your stack in so w/e. Suppose you couldn't have asked for more, can't really think of a hand that makes sense that you lose to though for some reason I feel like you lost the hand.

Raise pf?

[tiger_hall]

hero bets $3 into a $2 pot???
wtf is that.... bet $1.75...
i like your shove on the turn tho...

[a breath of air]

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seems fine. I would usually raise pf, but sometimes i just call.

overbetting the pot might scare off a few hands but its unraised and you need to get your stack in, + it worked so nice one! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

you're up against aces up the majority of the time

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I would say my opponent's range is: AK, AQ, AJ, A8, A7, JJ, 88. I am 85% against this range making a raise correct. Would anyone else suggest additions or omissions from this range?

[a breath of air]

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Don't really like the flop and turn overbets on a drawless board but you got action and got your stack in so w/e. Suppose you couldn't have asked for more, can't really think of a hand that makes sense that you lose to though for some reason I feel like you lost the hand.

Raise pf?

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I like the over-bet on the flop but a smaller bet on the turn (closer to pot size or 75% of the pot) makes more sense when betting for value. Could you be more specific as to why a raise is better than a call pre-flop please?

[danny8]

raising pf is often better than calling because:

you increase your post flop fold equity, you'll usually take it down with a cbet + you can bet scare cards like A/K/Q on the turn/river if your cbet is called.

you're both gonna miss the flop more often than not so you can take it down with a cbet.

in a 3way limped pot its unlikely you'll win w/o flopping a set, whereas its v.likely if you raise pf and get it HU.

but if they're both calling stations i'd rather just limp behind and value bet when i hit. depends on the table dynamics really

[sh58]

standard. but i raise these PF, will probly limp 22-55,
PP are easy to play OOP, and you get extra ways to win the hand, and will have created a bigger pot in preperation for hitting your set
+if you don't raise some weaker hands in the SB, when you raise in the SB people will be able to put you on a narrow range

[a breath of air]

Thank you to those who offered their insight especially regarding raising more often with pocket pairs.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

<u>Hero (SB): $50.00</u>
BB: $93.15
UTG: $7.60
UTG+1: $32.85
MP1: $49.25
MP2: $100.25
CO: $37.35
<u>BTN: $153.60</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (8 Players)
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($8) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $25.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $46.50</font>, BTN calls $21.50

<font color="black">River:</font> ($101) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $101.00 ($3 Rake)

BTN had T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (a straight, Jack high) and WON (+$48.00)
Hero had 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Sevens) and LOST (-$50.00)

[Suaimhnea]

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isnt this more standard then standard? Also is it normal to call 77 like this in full ring?

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I am not sure, I am fairly new to the game (started on 04/01/07). I almost always limp with small pairs (88-22) in any position trying to see the flop cheaply.

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In some spots in loose-passive tables I would raise to a teaser amount like $1.25 or so, just to build a pot. I'm not sure if this raise is EV+, but whenever I saw a parade of limpers, I'd raise 2-3x the BB just to start building a pot, knowing I'd still get a call from 75% of the original limpers. Usually the hand plays pretty straightforward with that 22-66 range, where if I didn't flop a set or overpair (although I'd still play that pretty cautiously), I'd dump my hand without much discomfort.

Thoughts on that sort of line?

[ama0330]

I dunno about your overbets but they seemed to work... otherwise the hand is standard, just bet bet bet.

Preflop I often raise but its not essential OOP.

[Speel Posher]

OOP i probably just limp, but other than that he just sucked out on you. not much you can do there...in LP i raise these and then C/B most flops.

[karlwig]

i think the limp preflop is fine. you really don't need to raise here. flop bet is too big for my taste, but it sure builds the pot. i like your turn play, although the first bet is - just like the flop bet - very big, and may scare off many hands you'd like calling.