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MaltbyStu
05-30-2007, 11:31 PM
Just sat down. No reads except for the donk min-raise

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UTG ($9.10)
MP ($4.55)
CO ($16.05)
Hero ($10)
SB ($10.20)
BB ($11.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1.1</font>, UTG folds, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50.

Is this call spew or standard against an unknown getting almost 4/1?

Flop: ($2.45) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.1</font>, Hero calls $0.10.

I do not know why these people make these bets. I have been check raised AI with these bets before and not sure I want that now? Or do I?

Turn: ($2.65) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3.5</font>

Well that's the only Ten I didn't want to see?

Hero?

Thanks,

Stu

vixticator
05-30-2007, 11:34 PM
Meh, just fold turn. Why did you raise two limpers with QJo though?

MaltbyStu
05-30-2007, 11:41 PM
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Meh, just fold turn. Why did you raise two limpers with QJo though?

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That's a fair question.

I'm raising it because I'm in position and I'm experimenting trying to get my stats beyond 15/13. It seems to be working thus far since I'm able to let go post flop on most occasions.

It also seems to be in line with TIEN's 6 max post.

Anyone else have thoughts on this raise?

Stu

skoldpadda
05-31-2007, 12:17 AM
He could have a nut flush draw, set, 2 pr, overpair. You can't put him strictly on the flush. I'd call and shove the river if not a club or pair the board.

rivhawk02
05-31-2007, 12:43 AM
Whats your image so far at the table?

MaltbyStu
05-31-2007, 12:45 AM
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Whats your image so far at the table?

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Read my first sentence /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Stu

misterwigs
05-31-2007, 01:20 AM
I see the flop min-bet as either a blocking bet or he’s hoping you’ll raise him because he has an overpair.
Turn overbet? He’s either hit his flush draw or he now wants to protect his overpair (that’s not much help, is it?)
I call turn and probably fold to river bet but possibly value bet if he checks.

MaltbyStu
05-31-2007, 01:31 AM
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I see the flop min-bet as either a blocking bet or he’s hoping you’ll raise him because he has an overpair.

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I don't think he's blocking much with a 10 c bet /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Turn overbet? He’s either hit his flush draw or he now wants to protect his overpair (that’s not much help, is it?)I call turn and probably fold to river bet but possibly value bet if he checks.

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If I call the turn I think I'm pretty much committed to call a river bet, don't you think?

I guess where I'm lost is, do I push the turn here?

Stu

Frosteater
05-31-2007, 02:19 PM
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I don't think he's blocking much with a 10 c bet /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Maybe he thinks different.

Sometimes you get "check"raised on these, but a lot of the time it's two cards, that ... well, it's two cards. There's a lot of money in raising them through the roof, especially since you raised preflop. Problem is, this turn is usually a great one for hands that mindonked the flop, just like he is suggesting, so I'd fold this one, because I think it's highly unlikely that he flopped a great hand and just temporarily forgot how to play poker. I know, it's a straight, but this just seems to be one of the times, where you have to back down. Can't win every pot.

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Anyone else have thoughts on this raise?

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I like it for the same reasons you mentioned. Though I have to add that I try to concentrate on learning how to play position instead of cards, so I'd raise A7o here as well - which might be too lose.

Sam T.
05-31-2007, 02:32 PM
Flop: Yah, you bethca. You'll take down the blinds and limps more often than not. And your c-bet will do the job if the initial raise doesn't.

Flop: I've been having a lot of success raising this up.

Here's his thinking: Well, that's a pretty dry flop. I'll bet he's only got overcards. Let's bet a little, just to see what he does, but not too much because twenty-five cents is almost half a Diet Sprite.

Hero Raises.

Yikes, I guess he does have AA. I fold.

Now, Rashamon-style, Hero just calls.

See! He only has overcards. Now it's safe for me to take this biach down, and then go tell my roomie how I schooled some donk for $2.65!

Anyway, I get it all in here. If he's dumb enough to bet ten cents, he's not smart enough to protect his made flush.

Go_BroKe
05-31-2007, 03:00 PM
push turn 100%

Go_BroKe
05-31-2007, 03:10 PM
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Anyone else have thoughts on this raise?

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I like it for the same reasons you mentioned. Though I have to add that I try to concentrate on learning how to play position instead of cards, so I'd raise A7o here as well - which might be too lose.

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yeah, raising A7o in this situation is too loose imo, because it's so dominated, if villian limps in with A8,A9,A10
and calls your raise. QJ is a good hand in this situation. A lot of players are raising dominated hands like AQ,KQ,AJ,KJ instead of limping.

Another advantage of raising QJ instead of A7 is, that QJ is a very good drawing hand and has a good playability IP.

BevillTheDevil
05-31-2007, 03:11 PM
if villians pfr was any larger id probably fold, but given how small it is and we have position ok call but this hand is tougher to play in 3bet pot cant really play for 1 pair hands...yea ok to call the flop bet, turn i am AI...villians range is most likely much much larger than a flush and I hate to call and see another club hit, fold seems nitty

BevillTheDevil
05-31-2007, 03:13 PM
btw pfr w/ QJo w/ 2 limpers is perfectly fine