Bottom set on scary flop

[vlerk]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $14.55
BB: $23.20
UTG: $15.40
MP: $40.30
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $67.10</font>
BTN: $34.75

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">no reads</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.35</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.65) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $14.05</font>, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $38.95</font> ...

Can I fold this? Would MP ever isolate here with a draw?

[ReNoRyan]

I dont think folding here is an option.

[vixticator]

Wow, that's a lot of action. I think MP will push AK/AQ/KQ hearts, JJ, TT; or I would. Not sure if this is a call or fold.

[vlerk]

I ran PokerStove with a reasonable range for MP. Results:

Board: Jh 8c Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.927% 48.92% 01.01% 22761 470.00 { Q9s, JTs, J8s, T8s, 97s, Q9o, JTo, J8o, T8o, 97o }
Hand 1: 50.073% 49.06% 01.01% 22829 470.00 { 8d8s }

Would this make it a call with the dead money in the pot? Or can't UTG's money be considered dead?

[vlerk]

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Wow, that's a lot of action. I think MP will push AK/AQ/KQ hearts, JJ, TT; or I would. Not sure if this is a call or fold.

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I think MP would have raised all those hands preflop.

[HotdogPoker]

I think the call here is okay. I dont know what this guy is limping with but you are ahead of JT and have outs versus Q9 and 97. Its $24 more and this is a huge pot even without the SB (who will probably call)

[ReNoRyan]

Wouldn't JJ or TT have raised or 3bet preflop? I still get it in here. You have a big hand againt there range.

[vlerk]

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I think the call here is okay. I dont know what this guy is limping with but you are ahead of JT and have outs versus Q9 and 97. Its $24 more and this is a huge pot even without the SB (who will probably call)

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It's about $37 to call.

[vixticator]

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I think MP would have raised all those hands preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]Without a read, that's a good assumption. It'd be nice to know if he was like 45/0/x though.

[vlerk]

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Wouldn't JJ or TT have raised or 3bet preflop? I still get it in here. You have a big hand againt there range.

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Yes, I think these would have been raised. I'm not afraid of a higher set here.

[Paul Thomson]

i think u have to call.

[ReNoRyan]

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Wouldn't JJ or TT have raised or 3bet preflop? I still get it in here. You have a big hand againt there range.

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Yes, I think these would have been raised. I'm not afraid of a higher set here.

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Then get it in here......