Full casino gambling in Florida by end of year?

[bocablkr]

From today's Sun-Sentinal:

Ask the governor: Why I want to negotiate with tribe


Q. I believe it's only a matter of time before we will have full casino gambling. Why would we not negotiate with the American Indians and use the profits to fund real insurance and property tax reform?

A. I don't know about the first part [of your question]. I'm not sure about that.

But it's only smart for us to negotiate with the [Seminole] Tribe. Two governmental entities have input in this process ... it's the U.S. Department of Interior and the state of Florida.

If I were to decide not to negotiate with the Seminoles, more than likely the Department of Interior would do so directly. And the effect of that would be that we couldn't negotiate for any of the resources, the monies, to come to the state to be used for the people as a whole. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So, I have indicated I am willing to negotiate, and we have actually begun [the process] now. My chief of staff, George LeMieux, who grew up in Fort Lauderdale, is heading that up ... so that's moving forward.

In addition, I met with the U.S. Secretary of the Interior, Dick Kempthorn, and expressed our desire to negotiate as a state with the Seminoles, and he was very respectful of that. I don't know the exact time frame ... maybe by the end of the year we'll have some resolution, if not sooner.

Compiled by Tallahassee Bureau Chief Linda Kleindienst.

[flafishy]

I think it only means that the Indians will be allowed to upgrade their slot machines to what the Broward parimutuels now have.

[bocablkr]

I think that is a given - they want more.

[soulvamp]

Do you read into this that they're going to get more?

[Truthiness24]

It's incremental -- they're looking for more & better slots now.

The rest seems like a matter of time to me -- but not the end of the year.

[CybrPunk]

The Seminoles have already taken the steps to petition for full Class III gambling based on the fact that Class III slot machines have been allowed into Broward pari-mutuel facilities. The Seminoles want to press the fact that Class III gambling is Class III gambling, which could open the doors for full table games as allowed by the Federal Indian Gaming Commission. There's no distinction in the Indian gaming laws that separate Class III slots from Class III table games.

This has been an issue for some time now and it's just recently that it became public knowledge. In the past the governor had nearly let the timeframe pass where the tribe was willing to negotiate.

I'd fathom a guess that the inability of the Senate to produce some form of tax relief has spurred this discussion. Had the state been able to find a way to offer property tax relief I highly doubt that the governor would be entering into these discussions.

[dozer]

Full casino gambling would really rock South Florida. It would probably also kill Atlantic City. But I don't know if it would be so good for our area.

I say Crist kills it.

[TPaulk99]

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Full casino gambling would really rock South Florida. It would probably also kill Atlantic City. But I don't know if it would be so good for our area.

I say Crist kills it.

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Crist doesn't have the authority to kill it. He can either negotiate a cut for the state or risk getting nothing from them.

As was stated above, the federal laws which dictate Indiam Gaming say the tribe is entitled to any form of gaming allowed in the state. The state now allows Class 3 gaming in Broward, and there is no distinction in the language of those laws which seperates slots from the others.

They will get it, the only thing Crist can do now is get the state a cut imo.

[CybrPunk]

This is correct. If Crist hadn't expressed interest to negotiate with the tribe on behalf of the State the result would be the same, only the revenue would benefit the Dept. of the Interior.

His constituents obviously call on him to keep his word to halt the growth of gambling in the state. What they fail to realize is that Crist is powerless in this. A federal magistrate will determine the outcome here and there's nothing that Crist can do except try and get some sort of benefit for the state out of it. The tribe may not even get approval for the games, but in the event they do it would be horrible for Crist to pass up an opportunity for the state to benefit from it.

[Rick305]

What do you guys estimate the chances of Florida getting full class 3 gaming anytime in the near future?

[nineinchal]

It wouldn't surprise me. Giving the state (democrat) governor access to revenue like this? This is like a pill to cure all of their ills, so they think.

No income tax and defer another real estate tax increase. All the politicians can say "see, we didn't raise your taxes"(yet).

How could there not be full casino gambling?

[bocablkr]

The governor is a Republican.

[flafishy]

And there are a lot of fundamentalists in this state who would be pretty pissed off about it.

[SpleenLSD]

If the legislature wants to allow Class III gaming, Crist won't get in the way. I can't see it happening legislatively since a) we have enough holy rollers in the state to fight against it, and b) Disney et al. will fight like hell to keep as much of FLs entertainment dollars coming their way.

The best bet, as CyberPunk mentioned earlier, is thru the judicial system. If *any* Class III gaming is allowed they have a nice test to see if that instance implies that *all* Class III gaming is allowed. Crist can help make it so if he can negotiate a reasonable cut for the State to help fund his property tax relief efforts.

[CybrPunk]

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If the legislature wants to allow Class III gaming, Crist won't get in the way.

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This has nothing to do with the legislature. If Crist doesn't enter into negotiations on behalf of the state the Seminoles will still get the approval they are looking for, only the Dept. of the Interior gets to benefit while the state would get the shaft. He can't prevent the approval as this has nothing to do with State government but rather a federal agency that oversees all Indian gaming nationwide seeing how all Indian reservations are considered sovereign federal land.

[iBETuLOST]

You can "Expect" full gaming at the Indian Casinos to be attached as part of the Property Tax Relief Act.

Anyone who votes against it would be committing Political suicide by voting against lowering Florida property taxes.

The owners of Gaming Boats are already exploring buying or joint ventures in land based sites both new and existing.

[soulvamp]

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You can "Expect" full gaming at the Indian Casinos to be attached as part of the Property Tax Relief Act.

Anyone who votes against it would be committing Political suicide by voting against lowering Florida property taxes.

The owners of Gaming Boats are already exploring buying or joint ventures in land based sites both new and existing.

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What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with state legislation.

[CybrPunk]

This is where someone is supposed to chime in that it would take a constitutional amendment to allow full Class III gambling and reform property taxes...

[dozer]

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You can "Expect" full gaming at the Indian Casinos to be attached as part of the Property Tax Relief Act.

Anyone who votes against it would be committing Political suicide by voting against lowering Florida property taxes.

The owners of Gaming Boats are already exploring buying or joint ventures in land based sites both new and existing.

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If you could back up your statement, then I'd believe it.

[NY60]

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This is where someone is supposed to chime in that it would take a constitutional amendment to allow full Class III gambling and reform property taxes...

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NOW that's funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!