This hand made me sad

[TitanFan]

Villian is 54/2.3/1.05 after 44 hands . . . pretty loose. What do you guys think of play on all streets . . .

I was hesitant to call the river only because this guy is typically so passive . . . but given his flop raise I'm not sure how passive he really is. Any commentary would be helpful. Thanks!


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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">8 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[squeek12]

I think you can safely fold the river here. What about just calling the flop raise, check/raising the turn and folding to a 3-bet?

I usually play it the way you did until the river, in which most cases I think I would fold to the raise. But I'd love to hear what other, better, players would have to say.

[pauliewalnuts]

He isnt really that passive at all with a VPIP of 50. I think you are in bad shape on the river, but you'll catch a bluff or AT once in 11 times to make calling profitable.

[car ramrod]

fold might be right, but I would likely call, he is really not that passive with those stats

[TitanFan]

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fold might be right, but I would likely call, he is really not that passive with those stats

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What would you consider a good range for "passive" aggrssion factor? I'm still not too familiar with the stat system . . . but 50% VPIP is pretty dang loose, however 44 hands isn't really enough to give an accurate rating.

[car ramrod]

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What would you consider a good range for "passive" aggrssion factor? I'm still not too familiar with the stat system . . . but 50% VPIP is pretty dang loose, however 44 hands isn't really enough to give an accurate rating.

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1.05 would be passive if he saw like 30% of his flops.
Because he is in so many hands, 1.05 means he is doing more betting/raising then a guy who is only in 30% of his hands.

I see lots of 40/3/.7 guys in my games, I consider than pretty passive.

Your guy was 50/3/1.05 or something like that, which is not super agg, but it's also not super passive. And like you said, 44 hands is not a honest read, but it is something.