[10 NL] I flop top set with KK and insta check the flop

[poker_n00b]

I know that the 10 NL takes all the charm of poker away but I am busto plus I am experimenting with super loose aggro style.

The 2 goofs are loose and somewhat aggro. The preflop minraiser has minraised almost every hand preflop.

Question 1: would you check this flop? Why (not)?
Question 2: do you call his riverbet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($6)
UTG ($6.10)
MP ($9.75)
Button ($17.90)
Hero ($9.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $0.80, Button calls $0.70.

Flop: ($2.80) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($2.80) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.6</font>, UTG folds, Button calls $1.60.

River: ($6) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $2.6</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $8.60

[CobraGoat]

dont ever check this flop.

bet more on turn.

and if you are gonna fold the river to any bet, why not bet fold? there are hands villain will call with here that you beat.

[tarheeljks]

given your reads, they will inflate the pot for us, so i'm definitely leading for like 1/2pot here. if they are really, really bad i may call the river, but probably not.

[CaucasianAsian29]

I almost always bet the flop here or if I flop top set w/ my pocket pairs. I think slow playing = losing value. I bet between $2.50-$2.80. You will often get called, with hands you would not believe. I esp. bet this because, your against two opponents, and your playing Micro's. "Big bets for Big hands".

As for the river, I dunno. I prob vote for a fold, those are just nice odds.

[poker_n00b]

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dont ever check this flop.


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ok, and why is that?

[Thuey11]

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dont ever check this flop.


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ok, and why is that?

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LOL dont listen to him, at 10 NL i check that flop 75% of the time as u will stack AK/KJ/JJ/KQ later on another street.

[BevillTheDevil]

ok we 3bet pf and go to the flop 3handed OOP im def bettin this flop probably $2, then if called led the turn for 2/3-PSB id probably do closer to pot since the board becomes drawy...as played your turn bet is too weak im probably bettin about 2.5-2.8 here, your makin it too cheap for villians to draw and now a draw hits on the river and slow playin has once again put us in a tough spot

[BevillTheDevil]

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dont ever check this flop.


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ok, and why is that?

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LOL dont listen to him, at 10 NL i check that flop 75% of the time as u will stack AK/KJ/JJ/KQ later on another street.

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LOL AK/KJ/JJ/KQ are all gona call/stack off on the flop!!! then why check??? makes absolutely no since to me??

[MJBuddy]

Anyone else notice we're folding the river to a two-pair at best most of the time?

Call the river.

[poker_n00b]

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Anyone else notice we're folding the river to a two-pair at best most of the time?

Call the river.

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yes and were getting close to 4 to 1. still though i folded.

[MJBuddy]

Was it read specific or were you that afraid that he had a Q?

[poker_n00b]

No read. just afraid of the q.

[MJBuddy]

I'm so incredibly willing to call here.

If I pay him off, that sucks, but more than 25% of the time this is Two pair, as you disguised your hand so he won't be able to discern it.

I almost think it should become practice to hide your hold cards until after the hand has been posted (via background colored text) to see more clearly what's being represented as the eyes of a villain would see it.

[Deewhizzle]

I agree here. although it looks like your guys was playing q-10 by the betting pattern, its more likely he thought he was trapping with k-j or even a-k here. I paying this off 90% of the time. looks like 2 pr to me.

[wikemang]

I'd lead the flop for $2 and look to get it in on the turn. As played pot the turn, CALL the river, as you're getting almost 4:1.