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Bork

05-16-2007, 04:09 PM

Villain's 3rd hand at the table I figured he was likely bluffing/semi-bluffing or just stupidly overplaying something I beat. I thought for a long time on the river to come to this conclusion. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($9.30)
BB ($26)
UTG ($26)
MP ($38.80)
Hero ($40.30)
Button ($25.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.35) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, Button raises to $7, Hero calls $4.25.

River: ($18.35) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $16.5 (All-In), Hero calls $16.50.

Final Pot: $51.35

avfletch

05-16-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm betting more pretty much everywhere. As played you don't know if his turn bet is strong or attacking your weakness.

I think putting him on a semi-bluff is a pretty long shot. Hardly anyone is semi-bluffing on the turn at these stakes.

MJBuddy

05-16-2007, 04:17 PM

Raise more Pre-flop, I like the flop, I'd rather a larger raise on the turn, but regarding the river, I think you're calling.

Reasoning: I think he's on a flush draw on the turn. He probably puts you on a hugely missed flop because it's a weak flop, he floats your CBet and when he gets a draw, tries to push you off of it. When it misses, it's also a scare card that he knows you don't have a part of, because you would have come over the top to his reraise on the turn.

I expect to see either AJ, busted flush, or QQ+ here if he puts you on the Jack.

Bork

05-16-2007, 05:07 PM

So is 3x too small of a standard open? I always thought it was more of a matter of preference. Am I giving up $ opening for 3 rather than 4.

Also good analysis, I think. He had A5d for the the gutshot and turned flush draw. I guess he was trying to represent a flopped set, but given the board and action I felt like it was a tough sell.

SMACK BOOTY

05-16-2007, 05:41 PM

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So is 3x too small of a standard open? I always thought it was more of a matter of preference. Am I giving up $ opening for 3 rather than 4.

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What I'm finding is the lower the stakes, the bigger the BB multiple you must raise to 1) minimize callers 2) force callers to define their hands. You only got 1 caller which is good ( I only want 2 max w/my big PP's, but that is a personal preference).
At these levels, its too tempting for fish to call 3 BB with nothing. The theorists will say this is a good thing, and from a Sklansky money standpoint they are correct, but from a practical "what did this idiot call me with " standpoint, it makes more difficult. I admit I'm more sensitive to this than most because I lead the league in getting my big PP's cracked with trash.

MJBuddy

05-16-2007, 06:25 PM

I've had 4-bets called with 8/3 off-suit from the big blind HU.

It's scary sometimes.