[25 NL] How not to play AK, right?

[poker_n00b]

Playing HUDless and without reads. I feel like I should have folded preflop or to the turn raise at least.

Do you fold to the minreraise preflop? Do you shut down on the turn? Do you fold to turn raise? How would you play?



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Hero ($48.25)
MP ($29.15)
Button ($70.55)
SB ($20.55)
BB ($43)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.35) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $0.50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, MP calls $4.50.

Turn: ($15.35) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $21.65</font>, Hero calls $11.90.

[Dunkman]

I don't think you should have folded PF, that's awfully nitty. I'm fine with everything except I fold to the turn raise. I just don't see how you could possibly be ahead there. Of course with reads I may fold PF, or get it AI on the turn, it just depends.

[Jay_Whufc]

preflop and on flop looks fine but im inlcined to check the turn after they call your flop raise, in all likelihood they will donk bet again and you can get to showdown cheap

[Jzo19]

i would never fold this hand preflop here.sometimes i 4bet here but def not folding ..i dont like the overbet on the flop , i think raising to 2 is alot better (pot control)

on the turn i stack off ,the minbet and the big call of an overbet on the flop leads me to believe villain is horrible , , i doubt he has AT/A9 ...i think TT/AA is unlikely as well ,

[Marmor]

I think it would be much better to 4bet and lead the flop - it makes playing the hand much easier imho.

[Jaqrabbit]

I bet out on the flop for $5.50 (pot sized bet). Then I do it again on the turn for $15. If villain still pushes, it's a fairly cheap ($6 after our $15) so I call.

I really can't see the check-raise on the flop here being a good play.

[hra146]

he has AA here so awefully often...

fits perfectly.


If I decide to felt it I would want to try to CRAI on the turn. Leading gives no value here.

[hra146]

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I think it would be much better to 4bet and lead the flop - it makes playing the hand much easier imho.

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you 4bet AKo vs. an unknown and "lead" which is effectively shoving any flop? Or any A , K hi flop?

Sounds pretty reverse implied to me.

[Bowlboy]

Unless villain is a nit I like to 4bet AK preflop. Playing AK like AA or KK allows you to shutdown hands like AJ-AK and TT-QQ preflop or on the flop. If you think villain has a very narrow 3betting range then go ahead and just call preflop.

In terms of fold equity, and pot equity, AK can be played like a combo draw against most villain's 3betting range. You're usually either crushed by AA-KK, or you're crushing hands like AQ-AJ maybe KQs, or you're coinflip against other pocket pairs which you have some fold equity against and decent amount of dead money already in the pot.

[C4LL4W4Y]

Def. 4b pre and lead flop. If he shoves your 4b pre it's a difficult spot if you can't put him on any type of range.

[wslee00]

against an unknown - why the hell would you 4-bet anything other than AA or KK? You basically turn your hand into a bluff. Now if you have found that this particular villain likes to 3-bet often, then you have a case for a 4-bet.

As played, I can find a fold on the turn, but I think i'd call anyway. However, I prefer a CRAI on turn.

[tms]

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he has AA here so awefully often...

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I dont agree with this since we have one the aces and another is on the board. Its certainly possible but not likely at all. Pf is fine, lead/3bet the flop.

[tms]

also the size of his rr pf makes me more inclined to put him on a weaker ace or KK-99.

[Jaqrabbit]

After thinking about this some more, I think I'd actually play it a little less aggressive than I described above.

PF: I limp AKo a little more than half the time. I do it for a couple reasons (it's a draw, I like the deception) and since I'm out of position, I think I do it here. Assuming villain still raises, I call.

Flop: We just hit, but not incredibly hard. I probably bet 1/2 the pot, maybe a bit more. Assume flat call from villain.

Turn: If we bet $10-$15 here, villain is going to push, because of stack size. Which narrows our options to check or push, essentially. I think with top pair, I check this and fold to a push. I'd call a small bet to see the river (and that's probably a leak), but I think a big bet here means we're beat.

[C4LL4W4Y]

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against an unknown - why the hell would you 4-bet anything other than AA or KK? You basically turn your hand into a bluff. Now if you have found that this particular villain likes to 3-bet often, then you have a case for a 4-bet.

As played, I can find a fold on the turn, but I think i'd call anyway. However, I prefer a CRAI on turn.

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Most of AK's value comes from folding equity. Calling is usually a reverse-implied odds situation that makes it very difficult to understand where you're at postflop...like this hand.

[wslee00]

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Most of AK's value comes from folding equity

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LOL

[C4LL4W4Y]

Yeah I actually realized how retarded that post was while I was thinking about it at work. Ignore my donkament-influenced thoughts here.

[Unknown Soldier]

4b pf (this isnt a bluff to whoever said it was, we're calling a push)

lead flop as played bet more on the turn and call the push folding TPTK in a rr pot is bad he could have a lower A (AA fits so do alot of other hands, villain played this like a donkey, don't give him too much credit)

[hra146]

holdon, seriously.

since when do we bet 4bet cAI w/ AK against unknowns AT 25 NL?

Do really that many agree with this or did this post only happened to be read by laggros?

[poker_n00b]

I have a confession to make: i have folded QQ and AK several times to the first min 3-bets vs UNKNOWNS that I obeserve. And i am prepared to fold AK to an unknown in this scenario once again. If I ever saw them min 3bet anything other that AA or KK, I am getting felted.

Also I like CRAI on the turn.

[Supwithbates]

I CRAI too.
And anyone advocating 4betting AK here I'm guessing is playing 50nl or 100nl and needs to remember how nitty and passive 25nl is.

[mrw8419]

4 betting is bad without reads at this level. Played fine post flop there is no way I'm dumping this hand in a RR pot on that board.