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Jay_Whufc
05-05-2007, 04:43 PM
Standard against 30 / 8 / 1.25 over 150 hands?

Fold to a push?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($9)
SB ($26.10)
BB ($25)
Hero ($47.60)
MP ($14.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3.1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds.

Final Pot: $13.35
shoxbb6
05-05-2007, 04:47 PM
Standard, and no not folding to a push.
Keys Myaths
05-05-2007, 04:48 PM
Standard, and call the push.
Jay_Whufc
05-05-2007, 04:51 PM
Why call the push? Is he really doing this with &lt;QQ. I cant see it.

Also, is size of my 3 bet good?
Keys Myaths
05-05-2007, 04:52 PM
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Why call the push? Is he really doing this with &lt;QQ. I cant see it.

Also, is size of my 3 bet good?

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QQ and AK are part of his range. That's why we're calling a push.
Jay_Whufc
05-05-2007, 04:57 PM
Dont think AK is part of this guys pushing range at all, leaving QQ/AA, of which I think the latter is a lot more likely so surely I can find a better spot then this?
Keys Myaths
05-05-2007, 05:03 PM
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Dont think AK is part of this guys pushing range at all,

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Then you're wrong.

Folding KK preflop is something you shouldn't be doing nearly at all at these levels.
Jay_Whufc
05-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Ok mate, just a question. Calm down!
prodonkey
05-05-2007, 05:07 PM
I don't agree with that.. I've known I should fold K's quite a few times and called anyway.. I only would have been wrong once.
china_hard
05-05-2007, 05:15 PM
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I don't agree with that.. I've known I should fold K's quite a few times and called anyway.. I only would have been wrong once.

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Prodonkey, I agree. The games at $25nl or $50nl are considerably harder than a year or two ago and I think the never fold KK preflop theory comes from then and is not necessarily true today.
robinmbuk
05-05-2007, 05:16 PM
For 6max I dont think his stats indicate that he's particulary loose, so best case scenario if he pushes here is QQ - AA, AK. I would only push AK or QQ pf against a player I think will call me with some [censored] hands like AQ or JJ, so you've got to think what his thoughts on you are as that may determine his range.

If you've been raising it up alot and 3 betting alot he would be more likely to push lesser hands, so you should be more likely to call if he pushes.

If you haven't got out of line much, I think you can consider folding kings here. People say never fold them - they are wrong. It is player / situation dependant.

Robin
shoxbb6
05-05-2007, 05:37 PM
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I don't agree with that.. I've known I should fold K's quite a few times and called anyway.. I only would have been wrong once.

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Prodonkey, I agree. The games at $25nl or $50nl are considerably harder than a year or two ago and I think the never fold KK preflop theory comes from then and is not necessarily true today.

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The never fold KK preflop is based on that without any reads, KK is always ahead of the other players range. With reads, its a different story.