Bowlboy
05-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Frustrated with having cbets not working against calling stations? Of course it's frustrating. We want them to fold to our cbets but still call when we value bet them but we cant have the best of both worlds now can we?
Recently I've been taking the check flop lead turn line by default against these guys. I have know idea why but it works a lot. If I had cbet they'd call the flop turn and possibly river with god knows what kinda junk but it seems if I check flop, lead turn they tend to fold.
My guess is that they are either giving you credit for some strong slowplayed hand, or something that hit the turn. Kind of makes sense since this is exactly how a lot of calling stations will play their own hands. For instance, a lot of loose passive players will raise preflop only with premium hands like JJ+ and AK. So when they've raised AK they'll often check the flop when it misses. They turn a king and they make some small bet because they hope you're going to call.
This sort of makes me think that I'm actually outplaying calling stations. Never thought it was possible, I mean typically I just try and let my cards do the playing and let them hang themselves with they're stupid calls. Kind of nice to have something other than pure value bets to use against calling stations.
Of course this line should'nt be used always as with anything. Board texture can change a lot after the turn.
Thoughts?
Recently I've been taking the check flop lead turn line by default against these guys. I have know idea why but it works a lot. If I had cbet they'd call the flop turn and possibly river with god knows what kinda junk but it seems if I check flop, lead turn they tend to fold.
My guess is that they are either giving you credit for some strong slowplayed hand, or something that hit the turn. Kind of makes sense since this is exactly how a lot of calling stations will play their own hands. For instance, a lot of loose passive players will raise preflop only with premium hands like JJ+ and AK. So when they've raised AK they'll often check the flop when it misses. They turn a king and they make some small bet because they hope you're going to call.
This sort of makes me think that I'm actually outplaying calling stations. Never thought it was possible, I mean typically I just try and let my cards do the playing and let them hang themselves with they're stupid calls. Kind of nice to have something other than pure value bets to use against calling stations.
Of course this line should'nt be used always as with anything. Board texture can change a lot after the turn.
Thoughts?