Some hand samples from last month, can I get away from these rivers? [Archive]

Artsemis

05-02-2007, 07:57 PM

This is a list of my largest pots that I lost for the month in which it wasn't an all-in then suckout.

#1. This one may be the exception, you can tell by the results what his stats are, but even as loose and passive as he is, should I slow down any here?

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MP ($58.70)
Button ($22.30)
Hero ($27.55)
BB ($70.15)
UTG ($31.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1, MP folds.

Flop: ($4) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($10) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB calls $8.

River: ($26) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15.3 (All-In), BB calls $15.30.

Final Pot: $56.60

Results in white below: 
BB has 3d Ks (two pair, kings and threes).
Hero has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins $56.60. 

#2
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UTG+1 ($29.30)
MP1 ($29.65)
MP2 ($23)
MP3 ($5.30)
CO ($7.75)
Hero ($53.90)
SB ($21.55)
BB ($26.90)
UTG ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.60) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.5, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($4.60) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $7.

River: ($24.60) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $14.65 (All-In), Hero calls $14.65.

Final Pot: $53.90

Results in white below: 
BB has 5d 5h (full house, fives full of kings).
Hero has Ks Qs (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $53.90. 

#3 - Not a river play but can I fold bottom set on this board at nl25?
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UTG+1 ($17)
MP1 ($22.70)
MP2 ($49.05)
MP3 ($60.65)
CO ($17.30)
Button ($12)
Hero ($29.85)
BB ($15.95)
UTG ($12.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $7, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $23.75, UTG+1 calls $9 (All-In).

Turn: ($43) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($43) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $43

Results in white below: 
Hero has 4d 4h (three of a kind, fours).
UTG+1 has 5d 3d (straight, seven high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $35.25. Hero wins $7.75. 

#4
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MP3 ($34.75)
Hero ($28.50)
Button ($15.25)
SB ($21.15)
BB ($25.55)
UTG ($14.05)
UTG+1 ($10.90)
MP1 ($35.80)
MP2 ($17.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.60) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $1.

Turn: ($4.60) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
MP3 bets $1.25, Hero raises to $2.5, Button calls $2.50, MP3 calls $1.25.

River: ($12.10) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP3 bets $4.5, Hero calls $4.50, Button raises to $11.5, MP3 folds, Hero calls $7.

Final Pot: $39.60

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Qc (two pair, kings and queens).
Button has Ts Js (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins $39.60. 

#5 - Again, not a river hand but I ran across it.
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MP2 ($15)
MP3 ($16.60)
CO ($4.70)
Button ($10.60)
Hero ($26.70)
BB ($15)
UTG ($26.15)
UTG+1 ($38.40)
MP1 ($36.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.25) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $5, MP2 raises to $10, CO calls $2.70 (All-In), Button calls $8.60 (All-In), Hero raises to $15, MP2 calls $3 (All-In).

Turn: ($47.55) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($47.55) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $47.55

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
MP2 has Ks 2s (full house, twos full of fives).
CO has 7h 7c (two pair, sevens and fives).
Button has 8c 8s (two pair, eights and fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins $45.55. Hero wins $2. 

#6
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BB ($14.45)
UTG ($44.55)
MP ($23.55)
Button ($15.30)
Hero ($28.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.

River: ($11) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $27

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd Jh (full house, jacks full of queens).
Hero has As Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: BB wins $27. 

#7 - I know I misplayed the flop and turn here but with his bet sizes he just lucked out and I don't think there's a way to fold the river here. Should I just raise the flop to $8-9 and c/f turn on a call?
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CO ($58.85)
Button ($27.85)
SB ($57.50)
BB ($29.75)
UTG ($22.55)
Hero ($23.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.60) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2.5, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.60) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($12.60) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Final Pot: $24.60

Results in white below: 
BB has 2c 2s (full house, twos full of threes).
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: BB wins $24.60. 

#8 - I simply got trapped here, anyway to fold the river? If so, what if that was 8s instead of 8h?
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UTG ($11.90)
MP ($14.35)
Button ($25.60)
Hero ($25)
BB ($23.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($2.25) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG folds, MP calls $1, Button folds.

River: ($4.25) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, MP raises to $10, Hero calls $7.75.

Final Pot: $24.25

Results in white below: 
Hero has Td Qd (full house, queens full of eights).
MP has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of queens).
Outcome: MP wins $24.25.

Waingro

05-02-2007, 08:41 PM

1. nh. don´t check the river

2. bet more on the flop + 3bet

3. Nh, don´t do anything differently

4. This one is a mess. Raise pf, bet more on the flop. The mini-raise on the turn was probably the worst part. Given how you got there calling the river twice is probably a minor mistake, but I think button has the hand he had a lot.

5. Raise more pf, I´d make it $3 here. On the flop I´d probably stack off as well.

6. On the turn I´d probably c/f unless he gives me odds to fill up. I think you can safely fold river.

7. Nh. I think your line extracts the maximum from small to medium pairs. Don´t fold the river. 3betting the flop is overkill.

8. Bet more on the turn. I can´t see anyway to fold the river, unless you suddenly develop psychic abilities.

Dilznoofus

05-02-2007, 09:06 PM

#4 seems close to me, #6 is a fold. I think that's it.

spyderracing

05-02-2007, 09:37 PM

#4, raise KQ from the CO. #6, I think you have to drop on the end there, that board is bad news bears. On #8 I might just drop it pf. Sure you're getting ok odds, but then you're stuck w/ QTs OOP the rest of the hand.

Artsemis

05-02-2007, 09:48 PM

Thanks so far guys, keep em coming /images/graemlins/smile.gif If you read BBV i had a -12BI downswing last month so this is a chunk of it. The rest of it was suckouts after the $ was in so I'm seeing how much of the downswing was preventable.

As for #6, I like the c/f plan -- the way it was played and the reason for the call is my check happened to come right after 2 FD's missed on a coordinated board and he had been passive the whole time so far. Once I checked, I opened him up to an easy bluff spot I think.