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illph

05-02-2007, 07:47 PM

I thought I could mix my game up a little and now I'm occasionally pushing strong draws(preferably with pairs) instead of the nuts (I'm a nit).

So I did in this hand against an unknown:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($0)
Button ($6.11)
SB ($4.86)
BB ($6.79)
UTG ($2.76)
UTG+1 ($14.12)
Hero ($6.30)
MP2 ($2.94)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.24) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.2, MP2 raises to $0.6, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $3.32, MP2 calls $2.94 (All-In).

Turn: ($7.10) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($7.10) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $7.10

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3h Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
MP2 has As 5c (two pair, aces and nines).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $3.66. MP2 wins $3.44. 

While I played the hand I thought it was an okay move with the fold equity, maybe additional kicker outs and the price I got from with money allready in the pot, but basically no weaker hand is calling me here, right?

Machavelli

05-02-2007, 07:50 PM

This is fine. In the long run its +EV. You have good fold equity, and if villain has TPGK type hand you have atleast 13 outs if called.

Against a Top 2 type pair you'll get called and still have decent equity.

GtrHtr

05-02-2007, 07:53 PM

In this type of situation I'd say its standard.

creamfillin

05-02-2007, 07:54 PM

If you want to flip for cash cool. You're risking like $3 for like $1. The only time you're getting called here is by better aces+/ which you'll be flipping against. This would be different if there was some more dead money in the pot. I guess you could make worse plays. But better hands are not folding here so the play is kind of pointless IMO.

sh58

05-02-2007, 08:00 PM

i wrote a little post about combo draws that no1 read, but it answers some of your questions. type combo draws into the search in the poker theory section. you have to remember that at 4cBB there will be alot of players that love to play a hand with an ace in it and will not fold it once they hit there ace, so your FE is actually very small. at these stakes you ought to use there weakness, and exploit it, namely playing it softly, as you will get payed off alot when you hit one of your 12 outs (assuming he has TP with a better kicker)

Waingro

05-02-2007, 08:11 PM

The problem here, and I use the term problem very loosely here, is that you don´t need FE, you already have a pretty decent hand. I have a hard time seeing any better hands fold, but I see a ton of worse hands instafolding.

If it is a mistake, it is probably a minor one, but I don´t think it is optimal. If we have bottom pair I like it a lot more.

The_Bankroll

05-02-2007, 08:38 PM

Looks standard to me.