Folding set fairly deep -- Have I lost my mind?

[Nocturnal]

Villain is really nitty, like 14/9 over 1000 hands. I saw him get checkraised allin by a shortstack on a T high flop and tank before calling with KK.

I haven't really gotten out of line, and he just instashoves this. The pot was so small.

What do you think of this fold?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($26.10)
Button ($35)
SB ($48.35)
Hero ($107.10)
UTG ($27.90)
MP ($82.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Hero checks, Villain bets $1, Hero raises to $5, Villain shoves.

Final Pot: $1.75

[Nocturnal]

err, I dunno what happened with the converter...

Villain = MP. Button folded to the $1 bet.

[guitarizt]

I think you made a good laydown. I'm gonna keep looking at this hand for a bit though.

Didn't see your last post before I made mine. I think he might have an overpair. Would he limp in with a big pair? He would have an overpair flush draw even though he is tight. That would be within his range imho. If he thought for a while before calling an allin with kk to a shortstack I'm gonna say he's a donk and limped in with an overpair. I changed my mind, call.

Ok this is my second edit, but I think I figured it out. If he did have a set and he was a good player he would try to milk you, and not put you allin after just a $5 reraise. He wouldn't get paid off just shoving allin in such a small pot. He might have 2 pair, or any kind of crazy draw. It looks like he's trying to get you to fold because his hand won't hold up if it sees more cards. He tanked with KK, I think he would think a little bit longer about how to play trips on this crazy board and get your whole stack instead of instapushing. He'd have to try to figure out what you have, but I think he skipped this step.

[ama0330]

In an unraised pot I think I have to fold until I know a little more about this guys range. For what its worth I raise 33 preflop here to make this exact situation a lot easier. I also do not checkraise but rather lead the flop, as giving free cards on this board in an unraised pot is a bad idea.

But yeah I mean given what we know about this hand its probably EV neutral to call cause he could have some wierd 2pr or TPTK and a FD but the point is that by being more assertive preflop and on the flop you can make these decisions a lot easier.

[Nocturnal]

Preflop is definitely not standard for me here. I raise about 90% of the time.

There's no TPTK+ flush draw. In fact, there's no pair + flush draw combo here at all since I have the 3d, which made me lean toward a fold.

[ship_it_trebek]

A raise preflop can limit the hand range of a 14/9 player...as is i feel the hand we're truly worried about is 66. Villain is probably going to open raise with TT from MP. However over 1000 hands have you seen villain willing to shove overs and a flush draw such as KQd here or a TPTK situation. Although you were in the BB, I rationalize a call here as if I'm calling a pair and not willing to stack off a set (barring really ugly boards) then why am I involved in the hand in the first place.

[ajml]

I definitely raise this preflop. I dont think I've folded a set yet at 50 NL, I would probably call this and expect to see something ridiculously overplayed but I may be wrong.

[urubu111]

I never lay down a set on this board. NEVER. And I hope you called because is criminal fold a set in this stakes is criminal.

Another thing: he played his hand very fast , I think he can have aces here, not?

[Nocturnal]

I dunno if you can call a fold "criminal". I've never seen villain get out of line. I ran some equity calcs in pokerstove, and really, I'm not even sure he's shoving some of these naked flush draws for 160 BB.

If he's hesitant to felt an overpair to a shortstack (like 30BBS), I doubt he's shoving them on me here.

Board: Td 6d 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.534% 49.53% 00.00% 24029 0.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, T6s, T3s, 9d8d, 8d7d, 63s, 5d4d }
Hand 1: 50.466% 50.47% 00.00% 24481 0.00 { 33 }

[urubu111]

I am very curious!! Did you fold, right?? He showed his hand???

[corsakh]

Lay a set to a flop shove? Gotta be kidding /images/graemlins/smile.gif 89d no good.

[corsakh]

Lay a set to a flop shove? Gotta be kidding /images/graemlins/smile.gif 89d no good. There is a bigger chance he butchered AA than that he has a set on you.

ps 160 deep.. I fold this for somewhat around 400.

[dimeetrees]

160 bb deep is not enough for me to fold, the stakes are too low. Id also like to know reads + history between players for a better judgment.

[fatman20]

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I dunno if you can call a fold "criminal". I've never seen villain get out of line. I ran some equity calcs in pokerstove, and really, I'm not even sure he's shoving some of these naked flush draws for 160 BB.

If he's hesitant to felt an overpair to a shortstack (like 30BBS), I doubt he's shoving them on me here.

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Could he have been multi-tabling and had a hand on another table here? I call this all day and twice on Saturday

[thejackel69]

Im calling! No one pushes $80 into an $8 pot with trips. if anything id put him onto a flush draw and overcards, mebs QJ(s).However i'd raise pre-flop with that.(Reads!) But im defo thinking he's taking the pot with flush outs if you call.
Higher trips are betting and pushing on the turn imho.
Tough but im calling!