what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

[sightless]

Villain is 20/4/.82 over a large sample

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SB ($49.50)
BB ($22.40)
UTG ($17.25)
Hero ($50)
CO ($146.35)
Button ($69.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($6) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $20</font>

[Skleice]

yikes. Looks like you're in trouble. With those stats he's prob not pushing a flush draw and can't be that thrilled with top pair like A7. He wouldn't have called you oop with any two pair possibility. If he had 88/99 he would prob dumb it with all this heat. He has a set. He barely doubled your raise too. Tough lay down...but I think you have to.

[wildzer0]

I have a hard time laying these hands down, but I think it's usually the right thing to do in these cases. He's screaming he can beat one pair, and he's normally passive so it makes a draw less likely. One thing, even some tight or passive players will play A7 or 99 here like this, so a read can change this from a fold. Also, occasionally a tag will get out of line because he knows your also a tag - so note this tendency. But without a read, my default play is normally to fold.

[kb09pkt]

Does a 20/4 really call with 22, 33, or 77 out of position? I guess you have to take into account what he thinks about you. Have you been playing aggro, or pretty solid? I don't see any reason why he can't be doing this with JJ-AA, and obviously we take KK out of there. I would take any 2 pair out of his range as well. I think in this spot I push and if he has a set here, or AA, I get stacked.

[wildzer0]

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Does a 20/4 really call with 22, 33, or 77 out of position?

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Yes. Absolutely.

[jonyy6788]

A 20/4 definitely calls with ANY pp from ANY position

[CaseS87]

Fold.

BTW I think calling is a very viable play on this flop.

[wildzer0]

Also, bet/3-bet is a pretty standard monster line, especially if he knows you're aggressive enough to raise donkbets liberally.

[thesecondnuts]

Take the bus to all-inville. Folding is not an option.

[sightless]

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Take the bus to all-inville. Folding is not an option.

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what does the flop have to be for an overpair to fold on it?

[kb09pkt]

Obviously your folding to this bet if an A flops, but I might also fold this if the betting was the same on the flop but a 10, J, or Q flops. I think a set is much more probable on that type of flop instead of the one that happened.

[wildzer0]

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Obviously your folding to this bet if an A flops, but I might also fold this if the betting was the same on the flop but a 10, J, or Q flops. I think a set is much more probable on that type of flop instead of the one that happened.

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What do you think a 20/4 player is calling a tag UTG+1 raise with from the small blind?

[Check_The_Nuts]

I call flop

fold to 3bet as played....

[sightless]

Can someone please laborate on why calling the flop is a better option than raising?

[barryc83]

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Can someone please laborate on why calling the flop is a better option than raising?

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Meh, idk if the raise is terrible, but what are the chances hes leading a draw? Not much IMO. Hes the very definition of a fit or fold nut peddler, seeing flops looking to hit big or get out. Once he min RRs you should fold, hes saying he doesnt have a hand like TT anymore, screw paying off nut peddlers.

[urubu111]

Bet/3-bet is a pretty standard monster line, so insta muck your kings. He played bad, he scream "I HAVE A SET!".

[Brian O'Nolan]

If it's a Mar del Plata postflop idiot prob. flatcall and let him stack off on the turn w/ JJ or TT... otherwise fold I guess. Explain your tiny flop raise plz?

[CaseS87]

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If it's a Mar del Plata postflop idiot prob. flatcall and let him stack off on the turn w/ JJ or TT... otherwise fold I guess. Explain your tiny flop raise plz?

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I don't think that is a tiny flop raise.

[Brian O'Nolan]

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I don't think that is a tiny flop raise.

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OK, but it is. Pot is 6, villain leads 3, minraise would be to 6... a real raise should be to 15+. If you think villain can't have a draw here that is one thing but I see no reasoning for that.

[ama0330]

Easy fold given stats. I would call all day versus an unknown however.

[HBomb]

Has anyone considered him making these raises with a big or small heart draw? 3h4? or something like AhQh?