KK OOP - 2 Situations

[Daniel LeClaire]

This is a situation that comes up frequently, so I wanted to dissect it into 2 different lines. Which line is the better play against an unkown?

Sorry about the format, I can never get the convertors to work.

#1
6 max - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: BU ($2.20)
Seat 2: Hero ($11)
Seat 3: BB ($3.25)
Seat 4: UTG ($3.35)
Seat 5: MP ($9.75)
Seat 6: CO ($3.10)

Preflop:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, BU calls $0.10, Hero (K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif) raises to $0.50, 3 calls

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2)
Hero bets $1.50, BB folds, MP calls, BU folds

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5)
Hero bets $3, MP calls $3

River: 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($11)
Hero? (Only $6 left)


#2
Turn: 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero?

[Daniel LeClaire]

...bump...

[creamfillin]

Ewwwwww. Some tough spots. Raise to 60 PF 4x + 1bb per limper. As nitty as it is I think we have to check this turn readless, probably fold to villain's pot-sized bet. Not sure that a Jack is going to smooth call then pot the turn. As played C/F the river, or call if it is reasonable, def. fold to a shove though.

[juggler97531]

turn: i think we have to bet here for value. Jack is not folding, and also we must charge one club draws.
river: if MP calls i think we have to bet for value allin here.

this is thin spot. we will often lose this pot, but still i believe that lot's weaker hands call us and velue stacking ourselves is correct. however if our turn bet is raised i would fold.

[CaseS87]

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turn: i think we have to bet here for value. Jack is not folding, and also we must charge one club draws.
river: if MP calls i think we have to bet for value allin here.

this is thin spot. we will often lose this pot, but still i believe that lot's weaker hands call us and velue stacking ourselves is correct. however if our turn bet is raised i would fold.

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Agree 100%