florida has done it

[facepull]

both houses have passed the new bill letting limit games be upto 5 5 which is a lot better then 2 2. also i went to the florida house website and read the exact bill. it states something like this: the card rooms can have no limits on betting IF THE REQUIRED BUY-IN IS LESS THEN 100. that leaves a loop hole that should allow the cardrooms to have something like 1-2 with a 80 minimum 200 maximum or even a 2 5 with a 80 minimum and a 300-500 maximum. it does not say 100 maximum buy-in anywhere in the bill.

[NY60]

There has already been some talk of this issue and as an attorney who has extensively covered and counseled clients on the Florida State laws in this area, I have to say that this interpretation is a perversion of the intended meaning and spirit of the legislation.

Lets face it, this legislation is a long awaited step in the right direction for poker players and I think everyone would agree that there is still alot more room for improvement.

Having said that I dont think it wise to jeopardize future legislative concessions by pushing the envelope too far too soon. The ink isnt even dry on this bill (let alone signed by the governor).

I know that the problems already experienced by the pari-mutuals and indeed the center of their previous litigation centered on the interpretation of tournament buyins.

The State took the position that the maximum bet being $2 with a maximum amount of 3 raises per betting round would add up to a possible total amount a person could possibly lose on one hand as $32. This is why the maximum tournament buyins was $45......$32 being the total amount possible to lose on the very first hand of the tournament plus $13 fee for the poker room to cover overhead.

This new legislation sets a maximum required buyin of $100 meaning that the most a person could possibly lose on the very first hand after buying in would be $100. To allow a person to buy in for more (lets say $500) would in theory mean that they could lose more than $100 on the very first hand which I dont think complies with the "spirit" of the statute.

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I'm just saying how the State has interpreted its own laws in the past as a guide for how they will interprete this law in the future.

I know alot of folks are looking at this new law and reading it in light of how internet poker was traditionally set up where a site would post a required buyin while allowing the person to actually buyin for more up to and including their entire account balance if they so wanted giving them a huge deep stack advantage.

As poker players we all know the advantages and disadvantages of this strategy but I remind you that the folks in Tallahassee are just getting up to speed on this "new" poker craze centered on Texas Hold'em (they even call it that the law itself), and I assure you they are not that poker savy to know the dichotomy between a buyin and a required buyin.

Believe me they are looking at this and saying the most we want a person to lose at one time is 100 bucks up from the original $32 we allowed under the previous legislation.

Besides I dont think the cardrooms would push this the envelope that far without at least a written attorney general's opinion on how the State would view this.

These folks are none too happy about the expansion of slot machines and the impending release they have to give the Seminoles by taking their handcuffs off now that slots are legal and the federal laws that help the indian tribes when it comes to gaming, so I dont suggest we pissed in their ears too much too soon.

Also, this is of course just my opinion.

[soulvamp]

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These folks are none too happy about the expansion of slot machines and the impending release they have to give the Seminoles by taking their handcuffs off now that slots are legal and the federal laws that help the indian tribes when it comes to gaming

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't understand what you mean by this. Who does "these folks" refer to?

[NY60]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
These folks are none too happy about the expansion of slot machines and the impending release they have to give the Seminoles by taking their handcuffs off now that slots are legal and the federal laws that help the indian tribes when it comes to gaming

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't understand what you mean by this. Who does "these folks" refer to?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific, I was talking about the conservative base which holds a significant voice in State wide politics especially outside of south florida.

[facepull]

the word maximum is not used in the bill. also considering how my expierience in florida card rooms shows some people are gonna lose 2k playing this 100nl in one sitting.

[NapoleonDolemite]

I'm from Tallahasse and it's anything but a conservative town. Anyway looks like the legislators f-ed up, because as far as can I see, poker rooms should be able to hold 100 min/1 billion$ max buy-in games if they want. I'm moving back just in time /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Fonzi]

SO when you say 2/2, you mean to say the bet sizes don't increase on the turn and river?

[swede554]

[ QUOTE ]
SO when you say 2/2, you mean to say the bet sizes don't increase on the turn and river?

[/ QUOTE ]

nope

[Flacks]

[ QUOTE ]
the word maximum is not used in the bill. also considering how my expierience in florida card rooms shows some people are gonna lose 2k playing this 100nl in one sitting.

[/ QUOTE ]

amen

[dozer]

I checked it out -- it's legit!

HOORAY!

P.S. Bye bye trips to Vegas.

[allbad]

Hoorah! If Florida can do it so can Texas! Yay!

[Rabid_Hippo]

NY60 - I agree with your interpretation of what the legislature intended to pass (from a review of the staff analysis of the bill); however, the bill text, as passed, states in pertinent part as follows:

"However, a cardroom operator may conduct games of Texas Hold-em without a betting limit if the required player buy-in is no more than $100."

This is a plain-language interpretation issue. I don't think the legislative history will have any bearing on the ultimate result, which, barring a veto, should be uncapped NL games w/a max buyin of $100.

[Big_Ham]

So, I have a question related to the Indian Reservation Casinos (like the Hard Rock in Tampa). They are already in violation of the laws the pari-mutuels have to live by, so are they under their own set of laws?

Some of the laws they break currently:
-24/7 cardroom
-SNG's with buyins higher than $32 (they have games up to $500+35)
-They obviously don't have a track of any kind

So under which laws dio they operate? I would assume none ... it seems like a handshake agreement to not have cash games higher than the $2 big bet since they are breaking so many other laws ...

Anyone know?

[four2flush]

[ QUOTE ]
both houses have passed the new bill letting limit games be upto 5 5 which is a lot better then 2 2. also i went to the florida house website and read the exact bill. it states something like this: the card rooms can have no limits on betting IF THE REQUIRED BUY-IN IS LESS THEN 100. that leaves a loop hole that should allow the cardrooms to have something like 1-2 with a 80 minimum 200 maximum or even a 2 5 with a 80 minimum and a 300-500 maximum. it does not say 100 maximum buy-in anywhere in the bill.

[/ QUOTE ]


I don't know where you are getting your info. Here i have copy/pasted from the text of the bill:

However, a cardroom operator may conduct games of
111 Texas Hold'em without a betting limit provided the maximum
112 required player buy-in does not exceed $100.
The word Maximum is pretty clear to see. Just don't want to get people's hopes up.
Here is the page I referenced. If I am wrong...I'm sure you will let me know!
http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_pag.../billtext/html/ (http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=hb137 702e1.html&Directory=session/2007/House/bills/billtext/html/)

[Big_Ham]

Re-read.

"Maximum REQUIRED player buy-in does not exceed $100." Therefore, you should not be able to sit down at any cash table and be forced to lose more than $100 on your first hand because you HAD to pony up more than $100 to sit at the table.

This means that according strictly to that verbiage, you could have a $1/$2 NL game with a minimum buy in of $40 and a max of $200. People are not REQUIRED to buy in for $200, they can buy in for $40.

Required Maximum does not equal Maximum.

We'll have to see how the different poker rooms treat this wording. I hope they treat it as above because $1/$2 NL $100MAX is a ridiculous game.

[four2flush]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. That's why I am NOT a lawyer!
Has anyone found a cardroom that is planning on challenging the verbage and allow a higher than $100 buy-in? I seriously doubt Daytona will unless ALL the other tracks have done it and someone has yank their tale outta their butts.

[Tuff_Fish]

[ QUOTE ]

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"However, a cardroom operator may conduct games of Texas Hold-em without a betting limit if the required player buy-in is no more than $100."

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[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps they meant to say was:

"However, a cardroom operator may conduct games of Texas Hold-em without a betting limit if the permitted player buy-in is no more than $100."

If so, then they missed the mark pretty badly.

Tuff
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[Rabid_Hippo]

Whoever drafted this language either flubbed the drafting or meant to pull a fast one. Since most legislation is drafted on behalf of special interest groups and submitted to a legislator for introduction as a bill ... I'm going for the latter.

What I'm really interested in seeing are the proposed regulations/notice of rulemaker that should be coming out in a few weeks. Then we'll see how the state intends to interpret the statute and will have a public comment opportunity to point out the plain language of the statute/threaten to challenge any improperly worded regulations.

It's all good.

[Big_Ham]

[ QUOTE ]

What I'm really interested in seeing are the proposed regulations/notice of rulemaker that should be coming out in a few weeks. Then we'll see how the state intends to interpret the statute and will have a public comment opportunity to point out the plain language of the statute/threaten to challenge any improperly worded regulations.

It's all good.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can you please go into more detail regarding what you know about the process?

[Rabid_Hippo]

Parimutuel poker rooms in Florida are regulated by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering (see http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/index.shtml). The Division is responsible for promulgating rules that implement the laws passed by the legislature.

Rulemaking is a multi-step process that includes:
(1) Drafting the rule or rule amendment;
(2) Approval of the rule or rule amendment by the appropriate agency official;
(3) Publishing a Notice of Proposed Rule Development in the Florida Administrative Weekly;
(4) Publishing a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in the F.A.W.;
(5) An opportunity for public participation by means of notice, a 21-day public comment period,
and public hearing, if requested by an affected party or at the discretion of the originating agency;
(6) A hearing before the Division of Administrative Hearings on the validity of a rule may be
required if a proper petition challenging the rule is filed by a substantially affected person;
(7) If necessary, changes in the rule or rule amendment by the originating agency following the
Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, based on comments and materials received during the public
comment period or hearing, or in response to comments or objections from the Joint Administrative
Procedures Committee. Notice of these changes must be published in the F.A.W. at least 21 days
prior to adoption and shall be filed with J.A.P.C. If no changes are made or only technical changes
are made, the originating agency shall notify J.A.P.C. of that fact at least 7 days before adoption;
(8) Preparing the rule or rule amendment for adoption with A.C.S.;
(9) Filing the rule or rule amendment for adoption with the A.C.S., which becomes effective 20
days after filing, or at a later date specified in the rule.

Each of these steps is dealt with in detail in the following on-line manual: https://www.flrules.org/rmhb.pdf

The various notices and proposed rules are available online at the Division's website and at the official publication site at https://www.flrules.org/Default.asp.

As stated above, typically a proposed notice has 21 days of public commenting period from the day it is published in FAW (above-referenced link). You can make a comment to a proposed rule either through FAW's website or in hard-copy form via the U.S. mail.

The first step is, of course, to wait for the Division to issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Development --- then we can see what they have in mind.

[iBETuLOST]

Here is a link directly to the Florida Government Web Site listing all the Bills and amendments.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/B...ssionId=54& (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/bills.aspx?BillText=poker&HouseChamber=S&SessionId =54&)

Here are the key changes from the Bills which PASSED in case you do not want to read them all.

(b) The cardroom operator may limit the amount wagered
in any game or series of games, but the maximum bet may not exceed $10 in value. There may not be more than three raises in any round of betting. The fee charged by the cardroom for participation in the game shall not be included in the calculation of the limitation on the bet amount provided in this paragraph.

However, a cardroom operator may conduct games
of Texas Hold-em without a betting limit if the required
player buy-in is no more than $100.

c) A tournament shall consist of a series of games.
The entry fee for a tournament, including any re-buys, may not exceed the maximum amount that could be wagered by a
participant in 10 like-kind, nontournament games under
paragraph (b)

d) A cardroom operator may award giveaways, jackpots,
and prizes to a player who holds certain combinations of cards specified by the cardroom operator

Any horserace, greyhound, or jai alai permitholder
licensed under this chapter may operate a cardroom at its
pari-mutuel facility between the hours of 10 a.m. and 2 a.m.

HIGH-STAKES POKER TOURNAMENTS
a) A cardroom operator may host a televised
high-stakes poker tournament twice each year for 1 week at a
pari-mutuel facility that is authorized to operate cardrooms
during the hours that the pari-mutuel facility is open to
conduct business. Such a tournament may be conducted only once in any 6-month period.

I agree that the wording of "a required player buy-in is no more than $100." For non tournament NL Games is unclear because it dosn't set a max buyin.
It was most likely meant to limit the amount a player could lose on a given hand and will most likely and should be clarified to include a max buy-in.

Anyway this is a monumental leap forward from what we had!!!

[Rabid_Hippo]

The only bills in your list that actually passed were SB 752 - related to $5 limits and the "may conduct games of Texas Hold-em without a betting limit if the required player buy-in is no more than $100" language we've been discussing - and SB 134 - related to dominoes.

The $10 bet limit and the high-stakes poker tournament bills failed to pass.

Only bills listed as "Enrolled" passed both houses and were sent to the Governor. The Governor typically has 7 days to veto a bill (15 if enrolled and transmitted at the end of a legislative session - which is the case with SB 752). If he fails to veto the enrolled bill, it automatically becomes law ... or he can sign the bill into law.

[throwdown]

New user here. Hippo, i've been reading all your posts and thank you for all the info.

I live in Orlando.

Is Orlando going to implement these Jai Lai and dog track opportunities or they going to continue to be a Disney bitch?

I have to go to Daytona or Melbourne now to play.

Sure would be nice if we got some no limit in O'town.

[Big_Ham]

This bill applies to the entire state. It would be up to your local card room whether or not they wanted to take advantage of the new higher betting limits. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't, unless there is a city ordinance that overrides the state laws.

[throwdown]

Thanks.

Does anybody out there know if Seminole or Orange County or the city has ordinances prohibiting this?

(I smell a stinky mouse)

[moose47]

None that I am aware of. Last I heard the Orlando Sanford Kennel Club was trying to acquire a poker room license but was being opposed by the neighboring church. I don't know the status of that but it would be nice to not have to drive out to Melbourne. How does the Daytona Beach room compare?

[throwdown]

Personally, I like it better. It's smaller, and the decor isn't as nice. Just personal preference.

As far as the play. WILD. I'm a patient player and I do ok. Give it a shot.

Oh, and the women at Daytona are better looking. Their play is about the same.

[four2flush]

Re: Daytona vs Melbourne...I live closer to Daytona but prefer Melbourne. Facilty is nicer, the tourneys are superior (as far as turbos go) compared to Daytona.
They have a Omaha Hi/Lo going most of the time. I personally noticed that the players aren't as loose as Daytona fish. At least I don't get as many bad beats in Melbourne. The dealers are for the most part faster in Melbourne and they don't have as many acounting rules to follow.
(licking lips for July 1st)

[Rabid_Hippo]

Another poster in the other thread about this bill accurately pointed out that the legislature hasn't sent the bill to the Governor yet ... so the clock on his signature or veto hasn't started to run. There's no real standard on when a passed bill has to be sent to the Governor (other than a "reasonable" amount of time) ... so we're still going to have to wait for a few weeks to see what happens with this bill.

[Big_Ham]

True. But I remember during the election, Christ was the only candidate to not be polarized on the card/casino thing. Jeb was vehemently against it, Christ was on record saying he really didn't care either way and it would be up to the people.

Not sure how this change got started, but I'm sure it was the parimutuels who started it the day Christ got in office.

[Rabid_Hippo]

Yeah - I'm not expecting a veto.

[soulvamp]

It's Crist, by the way. Not to be confused with Jesus.

It started with lawmakers trying to come up with ways to generate revenue in a state whose economy is teetering on disaster.

[Rabid_Hippo]

Our economy is doing great ... it's our property taxes that SUCK.

They've got a special legislative session starting next month ... running two weeks to address the tax relief issue. Hopefully some more gambling concessions will come out of that special session.

[soulvamp]

[ QUOTE ]
Our economy is doing great ...

[/ QUOTE ]

You're not serious. Are you?

[Truthiness24]

It's great compared to like Kazakhstan. At least I haven't had to buy a horse to drag my car around. Yet.

[Rabid_Hippo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Our economy is doing great ...

[/ QUOTE ]

You're not serious. Are you?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm a transactional lawyer and I'm slammed busy ... so I think it is ... the real estate sector is taking it in the shorts ... but that's ThreeBeers's problem /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[soulvamp]

Telltale signs of a crappy economy:

Inflation
Rising fuel prices
Rising interest rates
Home foreclosures
Business closings
Tight job market
Expansion of gambling laws
Busy lawyers

[Rabid_Hippo]

Well -- the legal economy is doing great /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[drj003]

Does anyone know where the nearest poker room in Florida is, if I'm coming from GA? Sorry for the off beat question, I just didn't want to start a new thead that would be completely worthless.

[Rabid_Hippo]

It depends on what part of Georgia you are coming from. Here's a link to a map of parimutuels in Florida, the ones marked with a "C" have cardrooms: Florida Parimutuel Locations (http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/map/map_facilities.pdf) .

[drj003]

[ QUOTE ]
It depends on what part of Georgia you are coming from. Here's a link to a map of parimutuels in Florida, the ones marked with a "C" have cardrooms: Florida Parimutuel Locations (http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/map/map_facilities.pdf) .

[/ QUOTE ]

You are the man. Thanks, I'll probably go this weekend.

[Russ M.]

[ QUOTE ]
It depends on what part of Georgia you are coming from. Here's a link to a map of parimutuels in Florida, the ones marked with a "C" have cardrooms: Florida Parimutuel Locations (http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/map/map_facilities.pdf) .

[/ QUOTE ]

Doesn't look like this has been updated in at least 2 years.

[ThreeBeers]

Only residential real estate is getting the short end of the stick. The commercial sector is strong and getting stronger everyday.

ThreeBeers

[Rabid_Hippo]

It has an April 14, 2007 date on it ... but it is the government. What's incorrect?

[ThreeBeers]

I would think it would be the St. Johns County Poker Room.

ThreeBeers

[Russ M.]

[ QUOTE ]
I would think it would be the St. Johns County Poker Room.

ThreeBeers

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually it is up to date, although I drove past the Jacksonville Kennel Club the other day and it looks closed down.

[BigRed1]

What day was that? The Best Bet (which is on the Jacksonville, St. Johns border) is still going strong.

They are closed on Tue, if that was the day.

[Truthiness24]

If you live in western GA, I know of a cardroom & track at Ebro, west of Tallahassee. We drive past there on the way to my in-laws' beach house on the Redneck Riviera.

[Russ M.]

[ QUOTE ]
What day was that? The Best Bet (which is on the Jacksonville, St. Johns border) is still going strong.

They are closed on Tue, if that was the day.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's actually another one called Jacksonville Kennel Club on the Northside. It looked run down.

[drj003]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
It depends on what part of Georgia you are coming from. Here's a link to a map of parimutuels in Florida, the ones marked with a "C" have cardrooms: Florida Parimutuel Locations (http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/map/map_facilities.pdf) .

[/ QUOTE ]

You are the man. Thanks, I'll probably go this weekend.

[/ QUOTE ]

I called the one called Hamilton Jai Alai, it is right on interstate 75 just below the Georgia/Florida line. They said they will have 1/2, 2/5 nl holdem on July the 1st. They said that is when the new law is going to take effect. I can't wait, I will be down there almost every weekend. The games up here in Atlanta are getting busted and I'm afraid to keep playing here.

[Rabid_Hippo]

That's great news ... I'm over in Jacksonville near the St. Johns County Greyhound Track ... you'll have to let us know what the action at Hamilton Jai Alai is like.

[FlyinJ]

Did you mean 2/5 limit and 1/2 NL? I hope they tracks are not going to try to spread 2/5 NL with 100 max.

[drj003]

[ QUOTE ]
That's great news ... I'm over in Jacksonville near the St. Johns County Greyhound Track ... you'll have to let us know what the action at Hamilton Jai Alai is like.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sure will. I bet it will be good since it is at a dog track and dog tracks attract big gamblers.

[drj003]

[ QUOTE ]
Did you mean 2/5 limit and 1/2 NL? I hope they tracks are not going to try to spread 2/5 NL with 100 max.

[/ QUOTE ]

The pokermanager that I talked to on the phone said twice "We will have 1/2 and 2/5 no limit. I'm just glad they are getting no limit. I'm fine with 1/2 right now. A 100 dollar buyin with 1/2 isn't bad at all. I would rather buy in for 200, but I will certainly take what I can get.

[ThreeBeers]

The Track located on the Northside is called McDuff. There are a total of 3 Tracks owned by the Jacksonvilee Kennel Club in the Jacsonville area. One in St. John's COunty, One in Duval County and one in Clay County. Oncly the one in St. Johns County has a poker room.

ThreeBeers

[FlyinJ]

When you talked to them did they say they were going to have a $100 cap? They may not be planning on it if they are spreading 2/5 NL. It would be great to hear that the may be bigger than I expected.

[drj003]

[ QUOTE ]
When you talked to them did they say they were going to have a $100 cap? They may not be planning on it if they are spreading 2/5 NL. It would be great to hear that the may be bigger than I expected.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't ask. I know I should have.

[drj003]

Ok, I just called the Hamilton Jai Alai again. He said that on July 1st there will be no limit (for only holdem). He did confirm that it will be a 100 dollar buyin max. When I asked him about limits this time he said that they hadn't decided yet, but probably just 1/2.

[facepull]

i play at jckc. i was told 1-2 and 2-5 no limit as well as 2-2 2-4 2-5 li it is what they are thinking about. they also assume that it will be a max buy-in of 100 and you can rebuy when you are under 100. but you can only rebuy to make your stack 100.

[FlyinJ]

Thanks Face JCKC is closest to me also even though I don't go much due to the games available now. I will be going once they start the 1/2NL. I'm iterested to see how it plays with only 50BB. 2/5 would be ridiculous with 100 max, why would anyone play it if 1/2 was available with the same buyin? I hope somewhere down the road the can get rid of the 100 max but it is step in the right direction.

[facepull]

the regulars at jckc are the stupidest moronic poker players you can possibly ever see. they will flock to the 2-5 no limit game because OF THE HIGHER BLINDS! these [censored] play that idiotic raise or fold every street hold'em game some a-sshole invented down south.

[FlyinJ]

Anyone have word on what is going on with the bill. From the looks of it it hasn't been sent to the Gov. yet. What happens if it hasn't been sent and/or signed by the effective date (July 1)?
BTW facefull I went to JCKC this weekend and every dealer sid it would be 2/5 limit and 1/2 NL everyone was pretty sure there would be no 2/5 NL. However when I asked about a buyin cap and reybuys no one was sure what they were going to do.

[facepull]

john the cardroom manager told me 2-5 no-limit. but i think maybe some of his dealers have convinced him how idiotic that would be.

[Russ M.]

I heard 1-2 NL at my local room as well. They really need to get the bill signed soon though.

[flafishy]

Crist just left for a five-day trip to Israel, so it won't be delivered to him before then.

[CompatiblePoker]

[ QUOTE ]
That's great news ... I'm over in Jacksonville near the St. Johns County Greyhound Track ... you'll have to let us know what the action at Hamilton Jai Alai is like.

[/ QUOTE ]

I live in Ponte Vedra and sometimes go over to the Jax "Poker Room" when I want a good laugh and to see what people are talking about. Its always funny watching people wear sunglasses and pullover jackets playing 1/2 limit.

[NY60]

Despite the Governor's 5 day trip to Israel, 32 bills were sent to the Governor on Tuesday May 29...unfortunately, the "poker" bill was not among those sent...it will not be long now...also, the Governor has vetoed 4 seperate bills so far none among them of any significance. For example, one bill dealt with the practice of cosmetology (hair cutting), another dealt with an additional registration fee for boats, while another dealt with residential tenancies (residential landlord / tenant lease provisions). Nothing earth shattering ......yet????? Hold on to your hats!!!!

[Magicmanu]

I am informed by a state representative that the bill is on the governor's desk and he is expected to sign it. I have also spoken to a floor manager I know at a Seminole casino, and he says they're having a meeting this week. The whole issue of a buy-in cap has people in a tizzie (though to me the language is crystal clear -- especially since the bill that was sent to Governor Crist deleted the word "maximum" from the phrase "required player buy in"). Governor Crist also said in an interview last week that he has already started the the negotiation process with the Seminoles and others for Class III gaming.

[NY60]

Well that's great. I was going by the daily report issued by the Florida State Senate posted on the government's website:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/index.cf...amp;Tab=session (http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/index.cfm?Mode=Bill%20Information%20Reports&Submen u=9&Tab=session)

(click on governor's action report) (the bill number is S0752) but if you have inside information that the government isn't sharing with the rest of the world then hey by all means lets have it.

[four2flush]

Heard from 1 of the dealers in Daytona they will have an Ante holdem game with $5 blinds.They already spread it(Daytona Holdem) at the $2 level and the pots are usually over $150. With these players and the new limits the game will be SICK. I think I will stick to the 1/2 NL!

[NY60]

You raise a good point.

I think the 1/2NL games will be extremely volatile in the first few weeks. You can see some big gains and some big losses as well. I am going to start with a $1000 bankroll and play the expanded limit games until I build up 2-3 buy-ins then match those with money from my bankroll before entering the 1/2NL cash games so that my relatively small bankroll has a decent chance of surviving this volatile stage.

[BigRed1]

[ QUOTE ]
I am informed by a state representative that the bill is on the governor's desk and he is expected to sign it.

[/ QUOTE ]
Well going by the Governor's Action Report on 5/30/07 at 12:01. The bill has not been sent to the Governor yet. It does list several bills that were sent on the 29th.

Out of 337 bills passed 204 have NOT been received by the governor yet.

As I understand it, all bills passed in this session become law July 1st. Nothing like waiting till the last second.

[Magicmanu]

Well, if you read it, on the internet, no less, it must be true.

[BigRed1]

And if a state representative said it then it must also be true. We all know that a politician would NEVER lie.....

[Rabid_Hippo]

SB 752 was sent to the Governor yesterday. He has until June 15th to decide whether to veto it.

[Fishhead24]

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That's great news ... I'm over in Jacksonville near the St. Johns County Greyhound Track ... you'll have to let us know what the action at Hamilton Jai Alai is like.

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It is even funnier when they do it in the tourneys which are even a worse overall play than playing the 1-2 limit $5 max rake games.

I live in Ponte Vedra and sometimes go over to the Jax "Poker Room" when I want a good laugh and to see what people are talking about. Its always funny watching people wear sunglasses and pullover jackets playing 1/2 limit.

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[Yardboy]

It's done -

Last Event: 06/13/07 Became Law without Governor's Signature; Chapter No. on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:28 PM

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=35084

YAY Florida!!!
yb

[4_2_it]

Locking this one. Only need 1 FL Poker thread. Let's keep the oldest one open.