[50nl] 4 way allin: HELP!!!!

[hellmuth88]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

MulleEmil: $67.35 34/3/0.30 155 hands
matiaz777: $33.05
connectie2: $19.65 42/7/1 14 hands
Gala81: $68.65 49/12/1 50 hands
Hero: $81.26
PokerOkk: $31

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q J (6 Players)
connectie2 calls $0.50, Gala81 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, PokerOkk folds, MulleEmil calls $0.25, matiaz777 checks

Flop: ($2.50) T 9 2 (5 Players)
MulleEmil checks, matiaz777 checks, connectie2 checks, Gala81 bets $1, Hero calls $1, MulleEmil calls $1, matiaz777 calls $1, connectie2 calls $1

Turn: ($7.50) 6 (5 Players)
MulleEmil checks, matiaz777 checks, connectie2 checks, Gala81 bets $4, Hero raises to $12, MulleEmil calls $12, matiaz777 folds, connectie2 raises all-in to $18.15, Gala81 raises all-in to $67.15,

What to do???

[juggler97531]

why do you raise turn?? only call. you have some outs and you would like everyone to call.
as played you have easy fold.

[xeanatic]

don't limp PF, easy fold on the turn since you only have an OESD

[fatman20]

I think you have to fold here. My guess is that someone has 78 and you are drawing to 4 outs for the win and 3 outs for the tie. With that many players in the pot why are you raising the turn so weak? There really is no need for a raise there. It is multi-way and there is no way you have the best hand right now.

[hellmuth88]

converter wasnt working properly.
here is the same hand: (with suits)

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

MulleEmil: $67.35
matiaz777: $33.05
connectie2: $19.65
Gala81: $68.65
<font color="black">Hero: $81.26</font>
PokerOkk: $31

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
connectie2 calls $0.50, Gala81 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, PokerOkk folds, MulleEmil calls $0.25, matiaz777 checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
MulleEmil checks, matiaz777 checks, connectie2 checks, <font color="red">Gala81 bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1, MulleEmil calls $1, matiaz777 calls $1, connectie2 calls $1

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($7.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
MulleEmil checks, matiaz777 checks, connectie2 checks, <font color="red">Gala81 bets $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, MulleEmil calls $12, matiaz777 folds, <font color="red">connectie2 raises all-in to $18.15</font>, <font color="red">Gala81 raises all-in to $67.15</font>,

[fatman20]

I don't think your flush draw changes anything. You are most likely up against a bigger flush draw and a made straight. I still fold and I still don't raise the turn.

[juggler97531]

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I think you have to fold here. My guess is that someone has 78 and you are drawing to 4 outs for the win and 3 outs for the tie. With that many players in the pot why are you raising the turn so weak? There really is no need for a raise there. It is multi-way and there is no way you have the best hand right now.

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Which outs makes tie against 78?

[Jihad]

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don't limp PF, easy fold on the turn since you only have an OESD

[/ QUOTE ]Do you mean fold preflop? God I hope not. Raise pre, standard pot which is like 2.75 I believe, and I don't fold turn for that money. But raising is a terrible idea, and this is why.

[Jihad]

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I don't think your flush draw changes anything. You are most likely up against a bigger flush draw and a made straight. I still fold and I still don't raise the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]But once you do raise, its a call.

[hellmuth88]

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don't limp PF, easy fold on the turn since you only have an OESD

[/ QUOTE ]Do you mean fold preflop? God I hope not. Raise pre, standard pot which is like 2.75 I believe, and I don't fold turn for that money. But raising is a terrible idea, and this is why.

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this table was very very loose, and everytime i raiset everyone seems calling me. so i though this wasnt a bad time to see a cheap flop. Normally i would raise this 100% if someone before limps in.

back on the hand: everyone else agree this is a push?

[Shizzle12345]

if they are very loose idiots id wait for a better spot to take their money, and not let it depend on some draw.

[RMLewis]

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if they are very loose idiots id wait for a better spot to take their money, and not let it depend on some draw.

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word.

raising this turn is only going to fold out hands that could potentially give you a crying-call on the river if you make your hand. By raising, you also run the risk (as you can see) of getting involved in an enormous pot with nothing but a draw... a weak one at that.

[jmgambler]

I dont get the turn raise, into a 5 way pot? as it is I think its a fold.

If my math is correct you are spending $55.15 to win $116.80...2.12:1 (correct?) so I am pretty sure this is a fold.

[0evg0]

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if they are very loose idiots id wait for a better spot to take their money, and not let it depend on some draw.

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word.

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congratulations, this is the worst "advice" i've seen in a forum that prides itself on such.

[jmgambler]

ignore my last post........ you now have an additional 9 outs ?..... I think this is a call 6 outs to the absolut nuts + 9 outs to a flush, having raised the turn I think its a call, now

[jmgambler]

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if they are very loose idiots id wait for a better spot to take their money, and not let it depend on some draw.

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word.

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congratulations, this is the worst "advice" i've seen in a forum that prides itself on such.

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what a surprise, another derogatory post from 0evg0 redo your post and start it with:

In my opinion, this is wrong because..............

[meleader2]

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don't limp PF, easy fold on the turn since you only have an OESD

[/ QUOTE ]Do you mean fold preflop? God I hope not. Raise pre, standard pot which is like 2.75 I believe, and I don't fold turn for that money. But raising is a terrible idea, and this is why.

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RAISE PREFLOP to drive out weaklings, CBET flop to take it down, c/c reasonable bets on turn if called.

DO NOT cbet if there are 2 opponents in hand. esp. if button calls.

[Ramana]

We'll have good pot odds only if MulleEmil also calls. Then it'd be quite profitable. If he doesn't call, you'll still have about 30% equity (if you're lucky) for a close call.

[0evg0]

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if they are very loose idiots id wait for a better spot to take their money, and not let it depend on some draw.

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word.

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congratulations, this is the worst "advice" i've seen in a forum that prides itself on such.

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what a surprise, another derogatory post from 0evg0 redo your post and start it with:

In my opinion, this is wrong because..............

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lol no

it's not a donkament.

[hellmuth88]

i did call...
so i guess it wasnt a bad call

is this always a prf raise. normally i raise qjs after some limpers, but this table just didnt fold any hands