baby flush on river facing shove getting almost 2.5 to 1

no stats.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($47)
SB ($15.50)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($53.90)</font>
UTG ($60.75)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($9.50)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($50.95)</font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $2.25, BB calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($10) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($16) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, SB calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $14.5</font>, MP calls $2.50 (All-In), Hero calls $11.50, SB folds.

River: ($53.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $35.4 (All-In)</font>

Hero ?

[ocdscale]

I fold turn to BB's reraise. (A lone Ad/Kd would probably call behind on turn, thankful to get good odds, ditto for sets)
As played, there's no way I call river.

I'm curious to see other responses though, as I may be missing something big.

[ciki57]

One player is already all in. I don't think he would bluff in protected pot (unless he's dumb)

[jmgambler]

Tough spot.......... You only have one hand beating you on a 3 suited board (one hand being a higher flush) ...I "cheated" and read the other post, I am calling the turn too, 2 outs to the absolute nuts with a made flush? are you kidding me? this looks so much like 33/44/55 (even a str8 here) with such a huge overbet on river... if he has a flush is he really pushing here?... the fact that you didnt push the turn, amybe thinks you didnt get there yet.

I really think this is a call and would expect to see 33/44/55 or even KK ....... If he has a higher flush *shrugs*

[jmgambler]

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One player is already all in. I don't think he would bluff in protected pot (unless he's dumb)

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True, but the all-in was sooooo short to begin with, do we take this into consideration?

[Archon_Wing]

Raise turn, 4th diamond kills you really bad. I would never fold here.

[Sweir]

Yeah I would raise the turn up. As played call the river getting decent odds, you will see worse hands here often enough to make this a +EV play.

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Jd Ad (flush, ace high).
MP has 2d Kd (flush, king high).
Hero has 8d 6d (flush, eight high).
Outcome: BB wins $121.35. </font>

[jmgambler]

Three flushes?......... NEXT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

[derosnec]

let me introduce you to the dersonec theorem (first time it's been released):

no one leads the river for pot or more on a flush board without the flush

corollary: multiway, no one does so without the nut flush

[jmgambler]

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let me introduce you to the dersonec theorem (first time it's been released):

no one leads the river for pot or more on a flush board without the flush

corollary: multiway, no one does so without the nut flush

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/images/graemlins/smirk.gif would you have introduced us to this theorem had Villian showed down with 33/44/55? though I take your point

[derosnec]

just based on experience. sets, etc., will check/call or block

[jmgambler]

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just based on experience. sets, etc., will check/call or block

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Yea, I guess your right hindsights a B**CH , lol

This was a mistake IMO, since I had no read, I think folding is correct here. He must be ueberdonk to shove into me like this without the nuts or close to the nuts. If I have a read that villain is cappable of doing this with a st8 its a call. IMO

[Archon_Wing]

Your hand is way underrepresented though. He could easily think he has you beat without the nuts, ala 67,A2. Plus the shove is less than a PSB.

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just based on experience. sets, etc., will check/call or block

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This is True. Or make a reasonable blocking bet.