Set of queens. Tough river spot.

[ciki57]

Villains is 40/13/2.5

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $20.95
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $38.95</font>
UTG: $31.15
CO: $33.60
BTN: $29.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, BTN calls $1, SB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2</font>, BTN calls $2

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($6.75) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $6.25</font>, Hero calls $6.25

<font color="black">River:</font> ($19.25) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $20</font>, Hero...

[C4LL4W4Y]

Bet the turn, please.

[payday]

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Bet the turn, please.

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Agreed. A check/call doesn't do much for you. What is the best line on this turn- bet/call?

[Xanta]

C4ll what do you intend to do facing a raise?

[C4LL4W4Y]

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C4ll what do you intend to do facing a raise?

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Tough spot, but I don't think he's aggro enough to stick his stack in on the turn on a scare-card bluff. I'd probably bet like 5-5.50 and fold to a turn shove, and not be happy about it.

The way this hand played out, it looks like he has something decent (maybe TPGK, two pair) and is trying to protect. But it probably would have gone down a lot differently had we bet out on the turn.

[ciki57]

Ok, so I played the turn the way I did.

But what about the river?

[C4LL4W4Y]

Alright 2+2 has been weird but...the river looks value-ish but I don't know enough about this villain to determine whether or not this is two pair or 55/99. I'd probably fold.

[orange]

a semi relative thread:

here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=7169536&amp;page=0&amp;fpart=all &amp;vc=1)

[centja1]

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C4ll what do you intend to do facing a raise?

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Tough spot, but I don't think he's aggro enough to stick his stack in on the turn on a scare-card bluff. I'd probably bet like 5-5.50 and fold to a turn shove, and not be happy about it.

The way this hand played out, it looks like he has something decent (maybe TPGK, two pair) and is trying to protect. But it probably would have gone down a lot differently had we bet out on the turn.

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I think you should check-raise all-in on the turn. Villain will call if he has a flush or AA, but we are beating every other hand, including hands that have the bare A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, and have 22% equity even if we are behind. If he has 55 or 99, then he will call mistakenly trying to fill.

If he checks behind the turn, it's not the end of the world since he probably does not have a flush and your action would have probably been killed anyway.

In the end, this check-raise will be a value raise a good percentage of the time and will make your hand extremely easy to play on the river since there is no more money left to bet.

[C4LL4W4Y]

Orange, I think those are two great threads, but being OOP really complicates things here. CRAI seems like an interesting option, and I'd like to hear some other opinions on lines for this hand.

[C4LL4W4Y]

One other thing - is it not true that in marginal spots like this, it doesn't matter what you do?

Though doesn't that maxim typically depend on what one considers to be marginal?

[Xanta]

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a semi relative thread:

here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=7169536&amp;page=0&amp;fpart=all &amp;vc=1)

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I was thinking about this thread when I read the hand but playing OOP doesn't allow us to control the pot size like it does in the grimstarr example. Also one of amoeba's pros for checking was that we can induce a bluff, only here there's another street to play so we have to know villain's frequency for firing the second barrel for inducing a bluff to be a reason to check. Still don't know what to think here.