NL25 OESD - good fold?

[fairlynewguy]

First hand I've posted, please be gentle /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Reads:

UTG is textbook maniac - 79/46 over 150 hands. Also respects any time I show strength as I've been playing pretty tight and strong post-flop hands.

No good read on BB.

Is this a good fold? Or are the implied odds good enough to continue here? Brand new to NL so looking to learn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($39.05)
BB ($25)
UTG ($33.50)
MP ($49.50)
Hero ($51.10)
Button ($32.30)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, SB completes, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB folds.
Flop: ($5.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]UTG bets $0.25</font>, Hero calls $0.25, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $5.2</font>, UTG calls $4.95, Hero folds.
Turn: ($16.15) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]UTG bets $4</font>, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $18.05</font>, UTG calls $14.05.
River: ($52.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Final Pot: $52.25
Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
BB has Kd Ad (one pair, kings).
UTG has 4h 4c (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: UTG wins $52.25. </font> <font color="black"> </font> <font color="black"> </font>

[Supwithbates]

welcome to the forums
good fold, don't chase the idiot end of an openender when they're making it expensive to do so
that being said:
don't post results
take off the turn and river cards, along with all the accompanying action
try not to even look at results as they are irrelevant to the decision, since its not information you have when you're making it. This post screams to me "results-oriented", that you're deciding its a bad fold because your draw would have hit and your opponents just happened to have monsters.

[SirFelixCat]

Welcome and hope you are active. The guys can be a little rough sometimes, but that's how we learn /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Preflop: I don't mind the overlimp here with SC's...sometimes I'm raising here for a multitude of reasons (image, big pot if I flop big, take it down, etc etc), but nothing wrong with overlimping imo. Calling the raise in position is fine as well, esp. if you think you'll get paid if you hit a big hand.

Flop: easy fold to BB's c/r and UTG's smooth call. Super standard.

Again, mix it up with those limps/raises with your suited connector's, in position. You must punish the limpers...it's for the greater good!

Nh and welcome!

[Sweir]

Raise 87s in the CO pf.

On the flop you have 8 outs (4 6s and 4 Js) so on the turn you are 8 : 39 or 1 : 4.875 to make your hand. There is 5.50 + 5.2 + 5.2 + 0.25 = $16.15 in the pot and you have to call $4.95. So in total you need to win 4.95 x 4.875 = $24.13. Which means that on the turn you must win 24.13 - 16.15 = $7.98. The pot will be 16.15 + 4.95 = $21.1, so it is about a 1/3 psb. Given the stack sizes, your position, it being 3-way, and both villains having shown strength you can expect to win much more than this on average, making it an easy call.

I Don't include results or turn/river cards, also the converter [censored] up a bit.

[Sweir]

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Flop: easy fold to BB's c/r and UTG's smooth call. Super standard.

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I'm surprised you say this Felix. Maybe my post will change your mind??

[fairlynewguy]

Thx for all the input. I'll take out the action after I folded next time and not post results.

I have to say so far that playing 6max NL is a helluva lot more fun than grinding the 2/4 &amp; 3/6 limit tables.

[Pegasus]

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Raise 87s in the CO pf.

On the flop you have 8 outs (4 6s and 4 Js) so on the turn you are 8 : 39 or 1 : 4.875 to make your hand. There is 5.50 + 5.2 + 5.2 + 0.25 = $16.15 in the pot and you have to call $4.95. So in total you need to win 4.95 x 4.875 = $24.13. Which means that on the turn you must win 24.13 - 16.15 = $7.98. The pot will be 16.15 + 4.95 = $21.1, so it is about a 1/3 psb. Given the stack sizes, your position, it being 3-way, and both villains having shown strength you can expect to win much more than this on average, making it an easy call.

I Don't include results or turn/river cards, also the converter [censored] up a bit.

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I totally aggree w/ raising PF

Occassionally I might even raise the flop to try and take it down or at least get a free river card then fold to a reraise that doesn't give me good pot odds. At least I know where I'm at and I've built my table image as an aggressive player.

It's not the ignorant end of a straight if a 6 or a J peel off here...it's the nuts assuming no flush or paired board

[Sweir]

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It's not the ignorant end of a straight if a 6 or a J peel off here...it's the nuts assuming no flush or paired board

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If a J comes the KQ is the nuts. 6s are the only nut-outs. Obv KQ is v unlikely though as it should be folded on the flop.

[Pegasus]

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It's not the ignorant end of a straight if a 6 or a J peel off here...it's the nuts assuming no flush or paired board

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If a J comes the KQ is the nuts. 6s are the only nut-outs. Obv KQ is v unlikely though as it should be folded on the flop.

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agreed, I just assume that KQ is gone by now, but judging from the results of this hand and what actually showed down maybe I assume too much at times. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[SirFelixCat]

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Flop: easy fold to BB's c/r and UTG's smooth call. Super standard.

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I'm surprised you say this Felix. Maybe my post will change your mind??

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Got your PM, sweir...

I was super tired when I looked at this last night and I still think that, when you're first starting out, that this is a pretty easy fold. Now, if this was QJs (suited, not nec. spades), it would be worth considering, but as we're on the 'low end' of the straight draw, obviously none of our overcards are outs as well, so we're only drawing to 6 nut outs, and myabe only 3 on the turn (ignore that if you will since we're discussing the flop).

BB has shown a whole lot of strength here and while this may be close, or hell, even maybe a little +EV, I'm still in favor of mucking and finding a better spot. This is really an 'ugh' spot and we have nearly zero money invested in the hand, so I don't mind a fold here at all.

But I do hear what you're saying. Personally, this is inviting more variance than I'd prefer for the reasons listed and would fold on the flop to the c/r by the BB.