50NL flopping babyflush OOP vs. blindstealer

[hra146]

very first hand, no stats on V

whats his range?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter (http://www.learnhowtoplaypokerfree.com/convert/convert.cgi) Courtesy of PokerZion.com (http://PokerZion.com)

MP ($49)
CO ($27.45)
Button ($84.25)
SB ($15.55)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($96.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.50, MP folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, Button calls $78.25 (All-In), Hero calls $36 (All-In).

Turn: ($135) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($135) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $135

[JROK777]

Nice hand.

[hra146]

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Nice hand.

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not really.

And I seriously wonder whether we make good enough sklansky bux in times we are ahead (set, draw, overpair etc.) for the time where our pot equity is like 1%

So I thought we could work out a range

[jmgambler]

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very first hand, no stats on V

whats his range?

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Sorry, but from the Button? 1st hand, no stats, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif ? .... No clue /images/graemlins/laugh.gif


NH though..

[jmgambler]

When you called OOP with 56/images/graemlins/spade.gif what kind of flop would you have liked to see? (save for the obvious 555/666/234/images/graemlins/spade.gif

[hra146]

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When you called OOP with 56/images/graemlins/spade.gif what kind of flop would you have liked to see? (save for the obvious 555/666/234/images/graemlins/spade.gif

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thats a good point actually...

[JROK777]

In Doyles book, he says that being beat flush over flush is a hazard in the game. He says that you just have to go with it.

[jmgambler]

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In Doyles book, he says that being beat flush over flush is a hazard in the game. He says that you just have to go with it.

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and at 118-1 of flopping one its so F**king rare for one much less two, especially when there are only 3 to the suit on the board its not even worth worrying about ..... back to the AA vs KK/set over set move on... Yes it stings, but move on

[.xxxx.]

ok ok, let's get this post on track

what's villain's range?
Ax spades + AQ,A8,A2 w/ A spade...K6+ spades, KQ K spade...set of Q's,8's or 2's...spade connectors+one gappers 34+, 79+

[Lordy]

AsQ, AsA, KsK, QQ, 88, 22, all the suited A/images/graemlins/spade.gif

Pokerstove gogogo :

Board: Qs 8s 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.315% 48.32% 00.00% 11958 0.00 { 6s5s }
Hand 1: 51.685% 51.68% 00.00% 12792 0.00 { AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QQ, 88, 22, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As7s, As4s, As3s, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh }

[hra146]

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AsQ, AsA, KsK, QQ, 88, 22, all the suited A/images/graemlins/spade.gif

Pokerstove gogogo :

Board: Qs 8s 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.315% 48.32% 00.00% 11958 0.00 { 6s5s }
Hand 1: 51.685% 51.68% 00.00% 12792 0.00 { AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QQ, 88, 22, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As7s, As4s, As3s, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh }

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So I guess potodds and 50NL arbitrariness makes this worthwile.

Anyway, thx

[Chomp]

Nice Stove Lordy. I think I'd probably widen the range to include some more Ks, but I don't think that changes a lot.

OP, I got stacked almost exactly like this last week and hated myself for it. A coach told me stacking off was bad. But frankly I am not convinced I could ever play it differently.

[.xxxx.]

I disagree with the range used for pokerstove, but the numbers still seem very surprising. We're all open raising K6s+,connectors and one gappers from the button, the numbers go something like this (I went through and specified a /images/graemlins/spade.gif for each of the off suit hands for the high card K/images/graemlins/spade.gif or A/images/graemlins/spade.gif):

Board: Qs 8s 2s
Dead:

equity
Hand 0: 35.354% { AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QQ, 88, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KJs-K9s, K7s-K6s, JsTs, Js9s, Ts9s, 9s7s, 4s3s, AKo, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, AsTc, AsTd, AsTh, As9c, As9d, As9h, As8c, As8d, As8h, As2c, As2d, As2h, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, Ks8c, Ks8d, Ks8h }
Hand 1: 64.646% { 6s5s }