$50NL; help me not suck with big pairs. [Archive]

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The_Bankroll

04-25-2007, 01:14 PM

I made a post yesterday in BBV about dropping 6 buy-ins in 500 hands, and a few people made fun of the way I played the hands I had posted. So I thought I'd post them again here, to get some strategic advice.

original thread w/ hands is here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...page=3&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=10112694&an=0&page=3 &vc=1)

TheRenaissance

04-25-2007, 01:22 PM

(From the original thread:)

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guess it's back to $25NL for a while /images/graemlins/frown.gif

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($75.15)
UTG ($50.50)
MP ($61.35)
Button ($49.75)
Hero ($49.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($10.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5.5, MP raises to $14.5, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($39.50) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $41.85 (All-In), Hero calls $30.30 (All-In).

River: ($111.65) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $111.65

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
MP has As Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP wins $111.65. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($37.05)
MP ($70.10)
Button ($11.30)
Hero ($59.05)
BB ($30.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Button raises to $2.5, Hero calls $2.25, BB calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($10) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, Button bets $8.8 (All-In), Hero raises to $17.6, BB folds, MP calls $17.60.

Turn: ($54) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $38.95 (All-In), MP calls $38.95.

River: ($131.90) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $131.90

Results in white below: 
Hero has Td Ts (one pair, tens).
MP has 4s 4d (three of a kind, fours).
Button has Kh Ad (high card, ace).
Outcome: MP wins $131.90. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($43.50)
CO ($26.70)
Button ($22.45)
SB ($29.10)
Hero ($44.25)
UTG ($64.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $1.5, 4 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($9.25) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($19.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $54.8, Hero calls $22.75 (All-In).

River: ($108.80) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $108.80

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and threes).
UTG has Ad 3d (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: UTG wins $108.80. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($43.40)
SB ($43.30)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50.20)
Hero ($68.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8.75) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($15.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($15.75) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises to $35.9, Hero calls $25.90.

Final Pot: $87.55

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Js (one pair, jacks).
Button has 8d 8h (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Button wins $87.55. 

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extra beat: can't find a wokring graphing program so I can make a graph.

The_Bankroll

04-25-2007, 01:26 PM

ty. when I tried to cut/paste, the suit symbols and color coding didn't come through, and I was too lazy to go through pokertracker, find all these HHs and re-convert them.

TheRenaissance

04-25-2007, 01:30 PM

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ty. when I tried to cut/paste, the suit symbols and color coding didn't come through, and I was too lazy to go through pokertracker, find all these HHs and re-convert them.

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use the quote function

kolotoure

04-25-2007, 01:32 PM

Hand 1 - Standard

Hand 2 - 3-bet preflop plz

Hand 3 - Fold to turn push

Hand 4 - Fold to river push

TheRenaissance

04-25-2007, 01:47 PM

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Hand 1 - Standard

Hand 2 - 3-bet preflop plz

Hand 3 - Fold to turn push

Hand 4 - Fold to river push

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Hand 1 - ...but raise more preflop

.KeviN.

04-25-2007, 01:53 PM

1) fine

2)reraise preflop, ur oop and the button has nothing in his stack. standard reraise and i wanna just get to showdown w button. As played, w no reads, i think im done w the hand after my flop raise is called. this pot is getting too big w just a weak overpair.

3) bet like 16 on the turn, then fold to the raise like the baluga theorem says.

4) tricky w out reads... i dont really have time to think about it too much but on the river i'm def checking calling a weakish bet, anythin close to pot and im done...

The_Bankroll

04-25-2007, 02:30 PM

baluga theorem? link?
nevermind, I see its in the sticky.

Debaser

04-25-2007, 03:00 PM

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3) bet like 16 on the turn, then fold to the raise like the baluga theorem says.

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Absolutely no way should you fold a big overpair here getting 4-1. If you bet $16 or so (which you should) you'd be getting even bigger odds. Just felt it and pray he's got a smaller overpair or something retarded.

RAHZero

04-25-2007, 03:10 PM

You definitely have a ton of leaks:

Hand 1: Your reraise is way too small. Make it at least $6, by raising to just $5 you price him in to call PPs for set value. Postflop is OK, though I would probably just shove the flop.

Hand 2: Usually reraise this PF against a button raise. As played, definitely don't shove the turn after MP cold-called your flop raise, he's never calling this shove with worse or folding better, unless you have a good read.

Hand 3: Reraise more PF. I like $5.50. Otherwise very standard. Definitely do not fold to the turn raise in a reraised pot.

Hand 4: Calling the river shove is awful. Don't really even see any value in betting this, I think you'll just end up getting flat called with AK a ton. Just c/f this river.

.KeviN.

04-25-2007, 04:58 PM

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3) bet like 16 on the turn, then fold to the raise like the baluga theorem says.

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Absolutely no way should you fold a big overpair here getting 4-1. If you bet $16 or so (which you should) you'd be getting even bigger odds. Just felt it and pray he's got a smaller overpair or something retarded.

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My fault i didnt see the stacks sizes and what it was to call. But if I'm getting less than 2 to 1 on the call w no reads Im mucking.

P.S. Baluga Theorem = 1 pair is no good against a turn raise.

tarheeljks

04-25-2007, 05:07 PM

does this turn raise ai satisfy the baluga theorem?