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Chomp
04-25-2007, 08:06 AM
First orbit, villain unknown.

Is this a "Stop and Go" from villain on turn? And what does it usually mean? I've read that from a TAG it is often weakness/medium strength, but here I think it's pretty clear from subsequesnt action that villain's flop c/c was to capture my cbet and from there he was value betting.

Folding turn seems so weak, but calling looks really ugly too, so I was pretty stumped here (although river is clear fold).


Thanks.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($66.02)
SB ($14.69)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($61.40)</font>
UTG ($30.20)
Hero ($63.35)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $2, UTG folds.

Flop: ($5.75) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($13.75) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10.

River: ($33.75) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $53.75

TheRenaissance
04-25-2007, 08:11 AM
I think turn call is ok, and river is an easy fold.
Looks like villain flopped a set/2pr or turned a straight.

good_gamble
04-25-2007, 08:12 AM
I play it the same

HugovB
04-25-2007, 08:18 AM
I think calling turn is spew. Please tell me why you think it's not.

good_gamble
04-25-2007, 08:20 AM
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I think calling turn is spew. Please tell me why you think it's not

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Because it looks like a typical donk bet with a weak/semi-weak hand

TheRenaissance
04-25-2007, 08:35 AM
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I think calling turn is spew. Please tell me why you think it's not.

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On this board it might be spew, yes.
Not many worse made hands that might do this, 66/77, maybe A5, and a bluff.
The str8 draw got there, could be a set/2pr.
Could well be he does this with TPWK too.

Hmm. I dont think it is spew, but it is pretty close to EV neutral.
I dont think folding turn against an unknown is very weak, but I'd probably end up calling myself - being a station and all.

Vyse
04-25-2007, 09:43 AM
Spew on turn, only v good TAGs is a stopngo weak.

HugovB
04-26-2007, 04:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think calling turn is spew. Please tell me why you think it's not

[/ QUOTE ]

Because it looks like a typical donk bet with a weak/semi-weak hand

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I think weak/semi-weak still beats you here more than enough to make a call -EV (99/TT/Jxweak). I don't think a standard villian does this often enough with absolutely nothing.

Gelford
04-26-2007, 04:54 AM
Either he is full of i, or it is 67/A2 or similar that has hit turn

Im pretty sure he does not have a jack tho