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[Big Poppa Smurf]

Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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1. This is getting moved.

2. The idea that Jesus is a virgin is mostly constructed from religious beliefs. Anybody considering the historical Jesus wouldn't give a crap. Was Napoleon a virgin? Exactly.

[Shajen]

http://s95212051.onlinehome.us/livejournal/2005/jesus/jesus_pimp.jpg

[MattSuspect]

If half the members of this forum are virgins, surely the Son of God can be too.

[tdarko]

shajen,

fantastic. if only i could find that picture on a birthday card??

~td

[yasher]

shajen,

it was my intent to post, "jesus was a pimp," when i opened this thread.

i feel totally and completely dominated in every way possible.

you win.

yasher

[Big Poppa Smurf]

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2. The idea that Jesus is a virgin is mostly constructed from religious beliefs. Anybody considering the historical Jesus wouldn't give a crap. Was Napoleon a virgin? Exactly.

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Many of the people I have asked this question argue that even the historical Jesus was a virgin. They believe his morality would prevent him from having unmarried sex. I say he was tapping it left and right.

[Aloysius]

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2. The idea that Jesus is a virgin is mostly constructed from religious beliefs. Anybody considering the historical Jesus wouldn't give a crap. Was Napoleon a virgin? Exactly.

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Huh?

-Al

[Mars357]

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus was married...nor does it say that He wasn't married.

If Jesus was married, then no, He wasn't a virgin.
If Jesus wasn't married, then yes, He was a virgin. According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin. Jesus Christ did not sin.

My personal opinion is that He was a virgin. Not because I can't deal with Jesus being sexual (he was after all fully human as well as fully God), but because Jesus was so focused on His ministry, that marriage would have been a distraction. Remember that Christ once told a man that following Him (Jesus) was more important than saying goodbye to and burying his dying father. This does not sound like someone would distract Himself by marrying...

This ought to be fun....

Mars

[purnell]

1) He did not sin, so as has been said, if He never married, He never did the deed.

2) He most likely never had a shekel to His name, so He probably never married.

Jesus a virgin, laying 10:1. Any action?

[MCS]

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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Matt. 15:19-20, "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 “These are the things which defile the man."

Acts 15:29, "...that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

[MidGe]

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Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

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What a wonderful quote... get off your high horses ... don't usurp your god role according to your beliefs. It doesn't say god will condemn.

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Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

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It doesn't say god will condemn.

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"Judge" here comes from the Greek "krino," properly to distinguish, that is, to decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

Given the context, my best guess is that "condemn" would be an appropriate translation.

[SNOWBALL]

Do BJs count?

[MidGe]

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Given the context, my best guess is that "condemn" would be an appropriate translation.


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Given the context, my best guess is "decide". You are an usurper of your own god's right to judge.

[MidGe]

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Do BJs count?

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I am sure there are references to BJ in the bible. It use to turn me on to read about the possible sexual activities in the bible when I was an early teenager. They were/are really weird... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[chezlaw]

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Given the context, my best guess is that "condemn" would be an appropriate translation.


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Given the context, my best guess is "decide". You are an usurper of your own god's right to judge.

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I have an image of god with a thumbs up saying nice one my son. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

chez

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Given the context, my best guess is that "condemn" would be an appropriate translation.


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Given the context, my best guess is "decide". You are an usurper of your own god's right to judge.

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It is impossible to take anything from God by force.

[Mars357]

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It doesn't say god will condemn.

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I wish more people would quote John 3:17. Christians have made refrence to John 3:16 for years but in my opinion, 3:17 is even more powerful than 3:16. It explains God's motive for sending His Son to die.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. (NET)

[WillyT]

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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did you bang her?

-WT

[Copernicus]

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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did you bang her?

-WT

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after that invitation I sure hope so!

[MCS]

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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did you bang her?


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No. It was A. Ford.

[tdp]

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Yet we are expected to believe that his mother was?

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This ought to be fun....

Mars

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definately

[nation]

Wasn't there a movie that said Jesus had sex regularly with Mary Magdalene?

[PastorDavidDD]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

[SNOWBALL]

Jesus is not a historical personage.

[KaneKungFu123]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Please try hard to not be so ignorant.

God didnt have sex with Mary. She is the Virgin Mother. God just gave her a baby, Jesus.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? You must be really stupid.

[miketurner]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

[chezlaw]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

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Were all the siblings younger? In any case I didn't think the virgin birth was supposed to mean mary was a virgin

have I got this wrong?

chez

[canis582]

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According to the Law of Moses, unmarried sex is a sin.

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Where is this? I had a religious Christian girl recently tell me that the Bible never specifically prohibits premarital sex.

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Matt. 15:19-20, "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 “These are the things which defile the man."

Acts 15:29, "...that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

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What kind of prude pansy translated this crap. It probobly said THOU SHALT FORNICATE origionally.

[purnell]

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

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Were all the siblings younger? In any case I didn't think the virgin birth was supposed to mean mary was a virgin

have I got this wrong?

chez

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Yes. According to Christian doctrine, Mary was a virgin when Jesus was miraculously conceived.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15448a.htm

[Copernicus]

I had a girlfriend who believed she was a virgin every time we had ....gasp...pre-marital relations.

[chezlaw]

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

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Were all the siblings younger? In any case I didn't think the virgin birth was supposed to mean mary was a virgin

have I got this wrong?

chez

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Yes. According to Christian doctrine, Mary was a virgin when Jesus was miraculously conceived.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15448a.htm

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Ta, do catholics also believe she died a virgin?

chez

[PastorDavidDD]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

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What's facetious about it? I was as serious as the heart attack I had 20 years ago when I was 62. Jesus died a virgin. His mother didn't. Nothing humorous there.

[PastorDavidDD]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Please try hard to not be so ignorant.

God didnt have sex with Mary. She is the Virgin Mother. God just gave her a baby, Jesus.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? You must be really stupid.

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Compared to God we're all stupid. I've been called worse, with much better words than those.

[purnell]

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Ta, do catholics also believe she died a virgin?

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I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I think the answer is no, since Mary had other children, whom I presume were conceived in the usual way with Joseph.

[purnell]

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I had a girlfriend who believed she was a virgin every time we had ....gasp...pre-marital relations.

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I've never liked stupid chicks... crazy is good, though. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Big Poppa Smurf]

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Jesus is not a historical personage.

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Snowball,

in other words, you believe Jesus to be an entirely fictional creation? I'm like 100% that he wasn't.

Also, for the purposes of this thread, if Jesus were to have received a bj, he should not be counted as a virgin anymore.

[miketurner]

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Was Jesus a virgin? I would prefer people to consider the historical, and not religious, persona of Jesus.

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Q1: Was Jesus a virgin? Good question, but it cries out for a part b! A1a: Jesus died a virgin; A1b: His mother, Mary, didn't.

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Although I took this statement to be facetious, the fact is... Mary did not die a virgin. Jesus had siblings.

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What's facetious about it? I was as serious as the heart attack I had 20 years ago when I was 62. Jesus died a virgin. His mother didn't. Nothing humorous there.

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My bad. I took it as facetious because Mary was not part of the question & I did not know where you were coming from. I made the mistake of taking it as ‘Mary was not a virgin when she conceived Jesus.’ Sorry.

[A_C_Slater]

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Jesus is not a historical personage.

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Snowball,

in other words, you believe Jesus to be an entirely fictional creation? I'm like 100% that he wasn't.

Also, for the purposes of this thread, if Jesus were to have received a bj, he should not be counted as a virgin anymore.

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What if Jesus was just giving BJs? Would he be a virgin then?

[SNOWBALL]

I'm not saying Jesus didn't exist. I'm just saying that the main source of information about Jesus is religious text, not historical text. More importantly, jesus has no historical importance seperate and apart from Christianity. Its not like he les a military uprising AND created a new religion.