50NL AA Valuetown

[rakes.a.beach]

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($4.25, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls.

Turn: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($12.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($12.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4</font>, Hero ???

Villian is 70/20/2/100. I would say he doesn't understand much metagame. No other reads.

Comments on all streets appreciated, esp river.

Edit: sorry, stack sizes. $90 effective.

[jonyy6788]

Are we $100 deep?

If we are I might consider checking behind on the turn, but man do I hate pot controlling overpairs against loose players.

Raise the river donk, we got top 2 yo!

[Yaboosh]

Why did you check the turn?

[SirFelixCat]

I'd need stack sizes before I comment on whether checking the turn (ie pot control) is the right play, imo.

[rakes.a.beach]

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Why did you check the turn?

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Because 1) I can't stand a push and 2) I would check w/ I had overcards.

[rakes.a.beach]

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I'd need stack sizes before I comment on whether checking the turn (ie pot control) is the right play, imo.

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Stack sizes is $90 effective. SOrry, edited. Haven't posted a hand in a while.

[AntonHeat]

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Why did you check the turn?

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Because 1) I can't stand a push and 2) I would check w/ I had overcards.

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bet turn, if you Value bet river and he push's you folding?

I might make it like 10$ after your play.

[poon]

Why not bet 8 on turn and 18 on river? Villan looks like the type to call with A5 here or even J5s, or 42o lol. Nothing got there unless he had a4 or 46 or floated you with TX, like QT... If he check pushes turn i think he has a T w/ that agression factor. If he check pushes river I'd probly think about folding but call anyways.

[rakes.a.beach]

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Why did you check the turn?

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Because 1) I can't stand a push and 2) I would check w/ I had overcards.

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bet turn, if you Value bet river and he push's you folding?

I might make it like 10$ after your play.

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What is our turn plan if he pushes? We have at least six outs, are we calling?

I don't like a river raise to $10. It makes our hand pretty face up. What if he pushes? Are we folding? Also, we'd never make a bluff of $6 more dollars here-- I don't like vbetting an amount that i wouldn't bluff with.

[wslee00]

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Because 1) I can't stand a push and 2) I would check w/ I had overcards.

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1) why would he push? you have $90 effective stacks. If you meant raise, then you're beat, and done with the hand. However, if he doesn't have you beat you get more money from him on the turn and make the pot bigger to extract more on the river. Not betting the turn here against mr. loosey goosey is criminal
2) mr. loosey goosey doesn't think about your image or how you played other hands

[SirFelixCat]

As deep as you are, I think you can safely bet the turn. The Ten is not a scare card at all. I can not imagine villain pushes this turn as that would be a gross overbet. If you get called, you should bet to a free showdown if you choose.

As played, all you can do here is call. I think raising can very well put us into a position that we hate if he b/3bets us.

[orange]

i would bet the turn every time vs. a 70/whatever. value town baby.

raise the river to $12.

[rakes.a.beach]

Hmmm seems like everyone is agreeing to bet turn because villian has 70 VPIP.

Does deep stack matter? Are we more willing to bet turn if Villian has 40bb, 100bb, or 200bb?

What if we face a three-bet on river if we raise it to $12 as played?

[Leviathan101]

fold the river to a 3 bet.

I bet turn cause he doesn't give you credit for a hand this strong. You get value out of a TON of weaker hands. Possibly any pair, and 4x maybe two hearts, although if he has two hearts, he's probably got a pair along with it.

[kaz2107]

bet tha turn all day

as played u have to fold to a reraise on the river. unless it is a minraise or sumtin stupid like that.


also wut is ur name on abso?!?! i just played a 12k or so hands at 50nl therr and am curious. pm me or sumtin

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Hmmm seems like everyone is agreeing to bet turn because villian has 70 VPIP.
Does deep stack matter? Are we more willing to bet turn if Villian has 40bb, 100bb, or 200bb?
What if we face a three-bet on river if we raise it to $12 as played?

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1) my willingness to bet due to stack size wouldn't really change, at 40bb you're not likely to get away from the pair/draw combo, which is villain's most likely holding and shouldn't mind a turn push.....at 100bb I'd bet for value and fold to a C/R and the same applies to 200bb
2) I don't think checking behind is the right play here because you're only getting C/R'd by 2pair/sets such a majority of the time