25NL: Top 2 vs MANIAC!

[SirFelixCat]

Villain is 86/26/3.8 over 100+ hands. Really.
Here is an example of what he's like:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $32.30
BB: $31.20
UTG: $20.90
MP: $104
CO: $25
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $24.65</font>

CO posts $0.25
<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25, MP calls $2

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($10.35) A/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">MP bets $2.25</font>, Hero calls $2.25, 2 folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($14.85) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $7.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $19.90</font>, MP calls $12.15

<font color="black">River:</font> ($54.65) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $54.65 ($2.70 Rake)

MP had J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (Ace Jack high)
Hero had K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (a pair of Kings)



I called vs 3-betting pre as I wanted to see about hitting a flop (which I'd been as cold as ice at of late), before playing a big pot vs Mr. Any 2.

So the question arises on the turn, seeing as I'm in position. Regardless of his holding (save for JJ or AT, which I just am not buying), which really could be anything here...what's Hero's ideal play and why?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $29.20
BB: $35.05
UTG: $47.85
MP: $24.65
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $47.15</font>
BTN: $9.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.05) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $2.05</font>, Hero calls $2.05

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($6.15) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $6.15</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>

[Let_it_rain]

Call and let him hang himself when/if he bets out river reraise or if your not comfortable just call.

He could have a worse two pair, one pair or no pair or a flush draw so I'm calling here and calling the river with a diamond, or reraising without one.

[ciki57]

I raise here and instacall push...

Normally i just check/call against guys like that and let them bluff me, but the board is to drawy here.

[SirFelixCat]

read the edit....

[kurto]

potraise it. Hope no scary river card hits. (unfortunately, there's a lot of potential scare cards)

[Let_it_rain]

I'm still playing it the same, even more likely he's got banana's or some obscure draw, most likely he's on the pair draw.

[barryc83]

Gotta raise to get AI by the river. I make it like $20, then shove river.

[SirFelixCat]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $29.20
BB: $35.05
UTG: $47.85
MP: $24.65
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $47.15</font>
BTN: $9.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.05) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $2.05</font>, Hero calls $2.05

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($6.15) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $6.15</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.10</font>, UTG calls $17.95

<font color="black">River:</font> ($54.35) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $20.85</font>, Hero ???


See this is where a fellow 2+2'er got into disagreement. He said to either call the turn (?!?), or push the turn. Pushing, imo, loses all the hands that we want calling, no? Also, the $$$ I raised to was sufficient I thought. He disagreed. What say y'all?

[Jw513]

The board is getting very drawy at the turn. So you gotta push it and get it all in with this maniac. Probably gonna be ahead 80%+ of the time. I think at the river, you have to fold this one. He probably had a hand like Q10, or AJ.

[Margin Of Error]

Shove turn without thinking twice.

[SirFelixCat]

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Shove turn without thinking twice.

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Isn't that just a gross overbet though? Learn me fellas....

[ciki57]

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Pushing, imo, loses all the hands that we want calling, no?

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Just look at the first hand where he called with J high if you want to know the answer. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[barryc83]

UGH. Thats a sick card. Also, I guess you could shove turn if you think hell call, but I think he folds too much for that, youre shoving 3-4x the pot at that point. Idk, pot odds wise I prob call here getting close to 4:1. If he had more left I could fold, although I wouldnt blame you if you folded that river bc you really dont beat anything. But seeing as though hes willingly to stack off with J high, just suck it up and call.