100000 hands

[NoahL]

What does everyone expect their profit to be after 100
hands at $25nl.

1000?
5000?
10000?

[Knight Vision]

At my current 50NL rate, it would be -2K.

[CaptDrew]

For my first 4200 hands at NL25 (6max) I'm running at 17.69ptbb/100. WTSD is 23.95% and W$SD is 51.49%. By no means am I playing great. The competition can be that bad.

[Sweir]

Think of it in terms of BB/100 or number of big bets won every 100 hands, where a big bet is 2x the big blind. At 25NL 10BB/100 is definately achievable, anything above 5 is respectable.

[doppelganger]

Wait, so is the 10BB/100 number that's quoted around here in big blinds or in big bets? Is it considered reasonable for a good player to be making $5/100 per table at the $.10/$.25? I have been assuming that $2.50/100 is a good W/R for the $25.

[hra146]

Depends on how many tables you play. If you are good and you dont 16 table 10pttbs at NL25 is definitely doable.

If you 8table and generally play your A- game I think 8 is sustainable over a significant sample.

Anything higher than that is possible but people would move up before coming even close to a significant sample

[goat_beard]

Im trying to move up to 50NL but dont feel entirely comfortable there yet. NL25 is almost easier than NL10 IMO.

http://www.geocities.com/skater32926/NL25.JPG

[goat_beard]

LOL@rake being almost as much as winnings.

[tiger_hall]

a banktroll should be about $800 for 50nl it has been recommended by good players....

[Better Than U]

Before finally getting off to a good start at the $50 I was just over 8bb/100 after 75k hands, I 9 tabled. This is even with tilty sessions after losing after taking shots at the $50. 10+ is def. doable and I think 12 is more than doable to.

[goat_beard]

IMO 10NL and 25NL are the places to realllly learn the ABC's. When you hit 50NL you have to start playing back at peoples PSR and Cbets whether you are holding cards or not. This will obv change on the type of opponent you are playing but by now you should have a good sense of how postion and oponents patterns relate to the game.

[Sweir]

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a banktroll should be about $800 for 50nl it has been recommended by good players....

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Bankroll management changes from player to player. If you have money outside of poker and can afford to lose your poker bankroll then you can hand less buy-ins than someone who relys on their poker income to pay bills etc. Also confidence and skill level play a big part. If you are sure you are playing way too low for your skill level and would feel confident moving up then a smaller bankroll is fine. The higher you go the more buy-ins you want also because variance is higher and skill level increases etc.

I would recommend 15 buy-ins MINIMUM if you are very confident and sure you are miles better than the average player at your limit. 20-30 buy-ins is probably a fairly standard time to move up at uNL but if for reasons mentioned above you would like a larger roll then 30-50 buy-ins is fine.

[Better Than U]

I have to disagree goat. The $50 is where you should learn table selection and pound your opponents. The $100 is where you play people and not cards and all that fun stuff. There are enough donkish players at the $50 to not really have to change your game all that much(if you table select v. well), $100 is a different ballgame though.

[goat_beard]

You could be absolutely right...I have only ~500-750 hands at 50NL so I could be entirely wrong, it was just my assumption, thanks for pointing that out though.

[Gelford]

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I have to disagree goat. The $50 is where you should learn table selection and pound your opponents. The $400 is where you play people and not cards and all that fun stuff. There are enough donkish players at the $50 to not really have to change your game all that much(if you table select v. well), $100 is a different ballgame though.

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FYP



(While I am experimenting a lot and am awfully funky in my play right now, I must admit that playing basic ABC tag (feeding of fish) and good table selection will get you the money a long way. I is boring, but very profitable)

[Better Than U]

I dunno, I find $100 to be very different from the $50 even with good table selection. Esp. when compared to Stars $100 of last year and now is very very different and the $50 is the same.

[Gelford]

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I dunno, I find $100 to be very different from the $50 even with good table selection. Esp. when compared to Stars $100 of last year and now is very very different and the $50 is the same.

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It is very different, the fish also change behavior ... basically as you move up the stakes, the fish move from being passive calling stations to being hyper aggro lagtards. But their mistake is still the same, they play 72s far too much.

Simply targeting them will bring the green.

[Margin Of Error]

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For my first 4200 hands at NL25 (6max) I'm running at 17.69ptbb/100. WTSD is 23.95% and W$SD is 51.49%. By no means am I playing great. The competition can be that bad.

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How many tables are we talking about here? I am a former SSNL FR player who has recently moved to 6 max and subsequently dropped down in stakes to relearn the game. I have trouble concentrating on 4 tables of 6 max simotaneously, are any of you playing 6-8+ tables of 6 max and beating the game for a solid winrate? (4bb/100)

[Gelford]

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For my first 4200 hands at NL25 (6max) I'm running at 17.69ptbb/100. WTSD is 23.95% and W$SD is 51.49%. By no means am I playing great. The competition can be that bad.

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How many tables are we talking about here? I am a former SSNL FR player who has recently moved to 6 max and subsequently dropped down in stakes to relearn the game. I have trouble concentrating on 4 tables of 6 max simotaneously, are any of you playing 6-8+ tables of 6 max and beating the game for a solid winrate? (4bb/100)

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I 8-9 tabled for 60K and beat the game for +6ptbb/100 at levels 50-200NL

It all depends on the game you play ... the above was playing a snaredrum tight 18/17 game.

Now I am trying to learn LAG, I only four table and am no longer a winning player, but that is a different story.


My read on the FR forum (yeah I read the nit forum, I have no life /images/graemlins/grin.gif ) is that many of the posters are simply not positionally strong nor capable of adjusting to positionally strong players.

Hope that helps /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Better Than U]

As I said I made 8+bb/100 9tabling. But I had alot of experience before dropping to the $25. I had cashed out most of my roll. But you get the hang of the $25 easily.

I should add I played a snug 19/9/3 style.

[Margin Of Error]

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For my first 4200 hands at NL25 (6max) I'm running at 17.69ptbb/100. WTSD is 23.95% and W$SD is 51.49%. By no means am I playing great. The competition can be that bad.

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How many tables are we talking about here? I am a former SSNL FR player who has recently moved to 6 max and subsequently dropped down in stakes to relearn the game. I have trouble concentrating on 4 tables of 6 max simotaneously, are any of you playing 6-8+ tables of 6 max and beating the game for a solid winrate? (4bb/100)

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I 8-9 tabled for 60K and beat the game for +6ptbb/100 at levels 50-200NL

It all depends on the game you play ... the above was playing a snaredrum tight 18/17 game.

Now I am trying to learn LAG, I only four table and am no longer a winning player, but that is a different story.


My read on the FR forum (yeah I read the nit forum, I have no life /images/graemlins/grin.gif ) is that many of the posters are simply not positionally strong nor capable of adjusting to positionally strong players.

Hope that helps /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yeah playing 6-max is def teaching me the importance of position even more than FR. Playing shorthanded I have loosened up to about 26/20 which is still semi nitty but I have been trying to ingrain not playing weak pf hands out of position into my head before I loosen up too much. To me anything over 30 v$ip seems loose but I see some LAGs who are winners in the game and playing like 40-50 v$ip which just seems ridiculous to me. What adjustments are these people making to post flop game to be able to play that loose and remain profitable?

[Gelford]

I cant really answer that as I am struggling playing somewhere around or slightly above a vpip of 25.

But basically it seems you have to start reading good ... by losening up you are opening the tablings ranges .... thus your FE starts to approach zero, but on the other hand middle pair is teh nutz .... kinda. (Don't take this too seriously, I know not, what I am talking about ... but that is the drift of it all)

Dont worry so much about playing lag, Tag will get you a long way.