50 USD - Float/value call gone wrong. *Interesting*

[K䲰䮥n]

Villain is 25/14 (6/1/1) (flop/turn/river aggression).

I figured that ig he had JJ+ he'd bet the turn. If he had two overcards, he'd check/fold. That's why I didnt raise that flop.

The turn call was out of pure frusturation, but please comment on the earlier action.


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SB ($50.25)
BB ($49.75)
UTG ($58.87)
Hero ($51.95)
Button ($55.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($14) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($32) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, SB calls $34.75 (All-In), Hero calls $19.75.

[kurto]

I think his turn check is more suspicious then if he bet it.

With what he's repping (AA/KK/AK)... he likes the king. He wants you to stab at it.

[Grim Reapa]

Everything fine until turn, preflop reraise range is JJ+ and AK, so we're calling preflop for set value really, flop call isnt so bad but you need to realise youre still behind his range here as there are 24 combos of AA-JJ and 16 of AK, when the king hits i think youre done with the hand, check behind and prob fold to a river bet.

As played i guess he had AK so fold turn.

[barryc83]

I check that card on the turn. If I was gonna bluff, Id wait for him to check the river and then shove. I agree with kurto, that the check is suspicious seeing that he appears to be decent.

[china_hard]

If you are going to bet the turn you have to put villain all-in. You put yourself in a tough spot with no plan of action should he push.

[Better Than U]

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As played i guess he had KK so fold turn.

[/ QUOTE ]also I know you weren't really asking about folding, I was just stating what I think he had, I have no opinion on the hand really.

[Knight Vision]

Does anybody raise this flop?

[kaz2107]

unless u have a read that he 3bets light that K just killed tha majority of hands that he 3bets preflop with that we r ahead of. betting the turn is a spew imo. calling tha flop is fine but then im tryin to get to a showdown not turn my 2nd pair hand into a complete bluff on the turn against someone who has a rather narrow range. check behind and call a smallish reasonable bet on the river.

[Ikaika]

If you raise flop, what do you do when he shoves? What do you do if he calls then donks a non-T turn? You're beating AK only so raising flop isn't great imo.

[kaz2107]

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Does anybody raise this flop?

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for wut reason?!?!?! put villian on a range after his 3bet and then see if u still think that is a good idea and work from therrr

[TheRenaissance]

*grunch*

I've tightened up quite a bit with hands like these.
I play for set value mostly, unless I have a read that villain 3bets a lot.
So if we assume he does 3b more than JJ+/AK, I call flop and check behind turn.

[Knight Vision]

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Does anybody raise this flop?

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for wut reason?!?!?! put villian on a range after his 3bet and then see if u still think that is a good idea and work from therrr

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I read the HH wrong. My bad. Somebody said they play this hand for set value, I would too. Though I call the flop bet and try to get it to check down.

[hra146]

I pretty much never float people after calling a 3bet pf. At these limits their range usually isnt that wide. Your breaking even w/ variance I guess, no need for marginal spots at these stakes

[TedHastings]

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we're calling preflop for set value really, when the king hits i think youre done with the hand

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very few players 3bet with AQ or mid pp at these stakes and they are easy to spot, assuming he's not one of them the quoted advice is best

[Gelford]

I'm with Kaz, unless you have history, then that king is just about the worst card you might see ..... I'd check behind and read like a madman on river.

[Gelford]

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I pretty much never float people after calling a 3bet pf. At these limits their range usually isnt that wide. Your breaking even w/ variance I guess, no need for marginal spots at these stakes

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Nonsense, plenty of annoying regs and 2p2'ers at party 50NL