100NL KK Flopping the Nuts

[Mike MacIntosh]

First few orbits, first time playing with villain. No reads.

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Button ($14)
Hero ($97)
BB ($93.10)
UTG ($108.70)
MP ($98.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $9.

<font color="blue">PF is standard </font>

Flop: ($27) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>,
<font color="blue">Decided 3betting would give me the best chance at getting this AI. I went w/ 1/2PSB to feign weakness, making it look like a std 3bet, post flop steal. </font>

<font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $36</font>,
<font color="blue">YES! </font>

Hero ???
<font color="blue">What is the best play against opponent's range? Call and check turn to induce a bluff? </font>

[Al_Money]

Probably call and c/r any turn.

[Peter Harris]

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Likely call and c/r any turn.

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[Mike MacIntosh]

Hero calls. What is your river plan given turn action?

Turn: ($99) 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($99) 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero ???

[tufat23]

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Hero calls. What is your river plan given turn action?

Turn: ($99) 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($99) 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero ???

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u got $50 left in a $100 pot. wtf do u think u do

[Mike MacIntosh]

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Hero calls. What is your river plan given turn action?

Turn: ($99) 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($99) 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero ???

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u got $50 left in a $100 pot. wtf do u think u do

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We could bet for value or check to induce a bet from a hand that would not call a river bet...

[Sciolist]

I am not a big fan of varying the size of your continuation bet. Do you make a small cbet when you miss too? How about when you make a draw or a weak top pair, say?

My flop plan would be to just make a standard cbet, call the reraise and check/call all-in on the turn. As it turned out, I'd just push the river - it's so little, and unless I had good reason to think he'd be his missed draw, I'd rather just go with the line that gets me money from 67 or KQ or whatever.

[tufat23]

his calling range is much wider than his bluffing range, given that he didnt follow up his bluff on the turn, he'd have already given up.


in all honesty, i'd have already shoved the flop yo

[Mike MacIntosh]

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I am not a big fan of varying the size of your continuation bet.

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Hand factors (board texture/# of opponents/etc) should govern your c-bet amount.

FWIW, I make this same 1/2 PSB with air.

[Sciolist]

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I am not a big fan of varying the size of your continuation bet.

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Hand factors (board texture/# of opponents/etc) should govern your c-bet amount.

FWIW, I make this same 1/2 PSB with air.

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I vary for board texture, and that's it. I don't vary it based on quality of my hand, and I don't vary it based on what I want other people to think because it gives away information on your play.

[Some9]

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I vary my c-bet size for board texture,

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Good



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and that's it. I don't vary it based on quality of my hand, and I don't vary it based on what I want other people to think because it gives away information on your play.

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That is not so good. If you always bet the same on the same flop you opponent have a very easy game against you. With a good hand you should be betting more on average than with a bad hand. Of course you will mix it up accordingly.

[Mike MacIntosh]

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his calling range is much wider than his bluffing range, given that he didnt follow up his bluff on the turn, he'd have already given up.


in all honesty, i'd have already shoved the flop yo

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Yup, we seem to think the same way...

[HoldEmNewby]

villain doesn't have enough to bluff on river so you have to bet for him.

[Imrahil]

I find if I only cbet 1/2 pot after I 3bet I get looked up by any pair. Where as if I bet like 2/3-3/4 of pot they fold anything buts sets and TPTK.

[TwistedEcho]

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I find if I only cbet 1/2 pot after I 3bet I get looked up by any pair. Where as if I bet like 2/3-3/4 of pot they fold anything buts sets and TPTK.

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You are probably a huge nit then, or have horrible table selection?

There is noway at 100nl that should be true.

[Imrahil]

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I find if I only cbet 1/2 pot after I 3bet I get looked up by any pair. Where as if I bet like 2/3-3/4 of pot they fold anything buts sets and TPTK.

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You are probably a huge nit then, or have horrible table selection?

There is noway at 100nl that should be true.

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I find people fold all the time to my 2/3 pot cbets after I 3bet PF. I think they call more if I bet less. No, I'm not a nit. I 3bet a wide range. And I don't have bad table selection.

[Peter Harris]

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Hero calls. What is your river plan given turn action?

Turn: ($99) 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($99) 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero ???

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u got $50 left in a $100 pot. wtf do u think u do

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QFT

and i'm not sure about shoving the flop. I think this line is probably better, but it's close

[RUDIKULOUS]

If you bet more on average with your good hands than your bad hands, you are very readable. The size of your bets shouldn't be indicative of your hand strength.

[terp]

someone made a really good point a couple weeks ago about making more of an effort to exploit your opponents than to be unexploitable at SSNL. obviously there's a dynamic between the two against thinking opponents, but against non-thinking gamboolers, it's probably not much of a leak, if any, to mix up your cbet sizes.

[The Don]

Guy probably has air but but I can't imagine that checking this river would be the best play unless I had a VERY specific read.

[The Don]

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I find if I only cbet 1/2 pot after I 3bet I get looked up by any pair. Where as if I bet like 2/3-3/4 of pot they fold anything buts sets and TPTK.

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Given the dynamics of the standard low stakes table, this should be a good thing.

[phantom_lord]

i don't like the flop bet, i guess just shove now.