i think i thought i was in SSNL

[the machine]

no reads /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $72.75
BB: $48.70
UTG: $44.50
MP: $13.55
CO: $33.95
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $49.25</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.25) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, BB calls $3.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($11.25) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $29.25</font>



puke or not so bad. i think it has more potential at higher limits

[apple11]

It's like trying to put a lvl 3 play on a lvl 1 donk I don't see him ever calling when your ahead save plays like that for the higher lvl's

[hoyasaxa]

what do you expect him to do, fold aces up?

you have a big draw on the turn, smooth call and try to get lucky. At these levels people just dont lay down hands, especially when hes showing strength on that turn bet.

[derosnec]

what hand are you trying to push him off? it's not likely he has flush draw

[PJo336]

I think there are many advantages to this play. If he calls and you hit the river hes pot commited for his stack, but I dont like how few chips you have left compared to the pot size on the river. If he pushes your screwed, but I agree at higher limits your fe will be better. Overall IM ok with the move, maybe a little smaller raise but thats me

[the machine]

well im obv not folding here. i think i leveled myself because i said a push will be too obvious as a draw so by potting it he will know im pot committed and im not going anywhere. =( this is where as soon as i made the bet i went WTF ARE YOU DOING. THIS FISH DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL POT LET ALONE COMMITTED AND YOURE LIKE 3RD LEVELING HIM!!!!! JACKASS!!!!!

[JimboNYY24]

I like it a lot, though my opinion probably means little. Power poker baby!!! Just calling is what the donks do amirite?
edit: thought u shoved...why leave urself so little behind

[cbloom]

This is a great play with a read.
No read = might be spew.

[Speedlimits]

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no reads /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/))

SB: $72.75
BB: $48.70
UTG: $44.50
MP: $13.55
CO: $33.95
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $49.25</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.25) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, BB calls $3.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($11.25) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $29.25</font>



puke or not so bad. i think it has more potential at higher limits

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just call usually. I'd only make this move against someone I had a read one.

[Brian O'Nolan]

I think I like it... could be less than top pair or club draw reasonably often and you might get ~AT to fold occasionally. It's definitely not horrible. Depends on your style- I 9 table and am pretty nitty w/o reads, I would just call here but w/e.

[orange]

i actually call here. dont like raising as much on the turn.

he's rarely folding an ace, but the size of his bet screams weakness. i dont mind your play here as much, but i think i prefer doing it with a hand like air. whereas it would be much easier to fold instead of having to get pushed on here (which would suck a bit).

[SykoraG]

Why ever semi bluff at these stakes. This is a very spew play. He's giving you amazing odds to draw to a straight and flush. Complete spew. Just call and get it in on the river when you hit.

[barryc83]

readless...no way im doing this, take the 3:1 odds. Ax calls all day long here.

[EMc]

mach,

He is giving you good odds here. Hitting hte BFD is good, as well as the gutter. I think you should just call the turn.

[MusashiStyle]

i often used to play like this, but since when i have 12 + outs that usually means I am not going to hit any of them, i just call so i can fold river.

[Nthnuts]

I don't like it without a read, villain almost definitely has an ace and he very rarely folds it.

[Grim Reapa]

I think a call here makes more sense, you have 12 outs, he has AK/AJ/AcXc a lot so you need to hit, i dont see much fold equity and you only have 25% ish equity when it all goes in - getting AI on the flop isnt so bad tho.

[Isura]

Call the turn. I don't think you have enough fold equity against Ax, and he obviously doesn't fold two pair.

[the machine]

thanx for the input. as i said before i hated it as soon as i hit bet. i got lucky and he folded. phew. think ill save this for solid reads and higher limits