JJ on a seemingly good flop

[Haagen]

I had this hand recently and I had a lot of trouble with it at the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

UTG ($51.95)
Hero ($95.90)
CO ($54.50)
Button ($62.70)
SB ($8.65)
BB ($56.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $46.95</font>,

Hero ?????

[Davey Valentine]

it really looks like he has AA or KK here and didn't want to scare you away with a reraise on the flop. Then when the 2 hearts came down it just seems he is over betting to protect his hand as most microers draw against the odds. I'd lay this down.

[poon]

any stats or reads? pf raise is a little small i say bump it up to 6.5, I think at 7.5 he doesnt have impiled odds to call for set vaule...
w/o reads i think this is a fold, he either has a flush draw or overpair and its only a coin flip
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,302,777 games 6.125 secs 212,698 games/sec

Board: 2h 5d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.592% 53.63% 00.97% 698718 12673.50 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 45.408% 44.45% 00.97% 579056 12674.00 { 77+, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh }

[Haagen]

When playing this, it took me a very long time to think about it. I think if he had AA or KK he could have re popped me preflop, or the smooth call here and then push if the turn was a blank. So I really felt he was either on a draw or had a smaller PP. The only hand I was truely worried about was QQ.

I just had trouble with AA, KK and QQ and I just had trouble with that.

My read on the guy was that he was very agressive especially when he saw weakness. I looked at how he was probably looking at me seeing that the bet I made was just an attempt to take the pot - maybe a missed A-Q type hand.

What do you think?

[Davey Valentine]

Due to him not reraising preflop i'd put him on Q-Q

[Doug Funnie II]

For me this is almost completely player dependent. I'd probably fold even given the info you have. In my experience 66-TT is very unlikely, A big heart draw is very likely, and JJ+ is pretty likely.

[cbloom]

Need reads/stats/something.

Your PFRR is too small.

[Haagen]

I thought about it until my timebank ran out, and eventually I put him more on a PP 66-TT or QQ, as well as a suited A with hearts.

With my read on the guy, I ended up calling him. He had A /images/graemlins/heart.gifK /images/graemlins/heart.gif, the turn and river came up blanks.

[Grim Reapa]

I would instafold this without reads - the only hands I think we beat are TT and big draws. Best case scenario is AhKh that villain had and even then its a coinflip. I hate JJ

[Isura]

[ QUOTE ]
any stats or reads? pf raise is a little small i say bump it up to 6.5, I think at 7.5 he doesnt have impiled odds to call for set vaule...
w/o reads i think this is a fold, he either has a flush draw or overpair and its only a coin flip
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,302,777 games 6.125 secs 212,698 games/sec

Board: 2h 5d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.592% 53.63% 00.97% 698718 12673.50 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 45.408% 44.45% 00.97% 579056 12674.00 { 77+, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh }

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm. Those numbers indicate a clear call. !

[Loc0Loc0]

Marginal call ...

15 outs ... you where behind when you called....

[Nthnuts]

I think we see overpairs to this board alot here I would say 99+ for most villains. a couple of overs and a flush draw make up a decent part of his range as well. Unless you have a read that villain wouldn't do this with a draw or a smaller pocket pair I'd say this is a call.