NL50: Stupid river play?

[A10Chief]

Villain was tight, fairly passive. My reasoning for betting this river was that a worse Ace might tag along. Looking back, I think checking behind is much better here as my hand has only marginal s/d value. Comments?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($105.55)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($82.70)
UTG ($19.50)
MP ($50)
CO ($30.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($2.25) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds, CO folds.

River: ($5.25) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $16.25

[Better Than U]

I raise preflop as does everybody who will respond to this. River is fine, I throw down a value bet here and fold to a raise from a "passive" player.

[ama0330]

What you dont realise my friend is when you say "worse ace", theres only two of them. A5 has a straight, A2-4 have two pair, so its A6 and A8 that you beat only. Not looking so good.

I usually raise this preflop, but I guess a limp isnt SO bad given that you cant really play this for ace value. Still, I like to play Ax with fewer players rather than more. Turn is okay but given what I said about your opponents range on the river I like a c/c.

[payday]

You are right in checking behind.

As ama0330 explained the river is pretty bad for you. You only really beat a seven or a bluff. Pretty easy river fold as played.

[Loc0Loc0]

I'd like to raise/fold preflop due the player images.

Limping along is not the right play here.

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What you dont realise my friend is when you say "worse ace", theres only two of them. A5 has a straight, A2-4 have two pair, so its A6 and A8 that you beat only. Not looking so good.

I usually raise this preflop, but I guess a limp isnt SO bad given that you cant really play this for ace value. Still, I like to play Ax with fewer players rather than more. Turn is okay but given what I said about your opponents range on the river I like a c/c.

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I agree with ama. I also limp on the button at the right tables once in a while. Check river

[Loc0Loc0]

Limping the button we are trying to avoid that with Ax hands imo. Or we raise or we fold. You have a bunch of ROI's on you neck.

I do raise most of the times, but limping Axs in position in a multiway pot once in a while is ok IMO. I also do this occasionaly with suited connectors, suited one gappers suited broadways. I think I raise 75% and limp 25%. On aggressive tables I prefer to raise or fold.

[Loc0Loc0]

I only limp ATs+ in the SB... everywhere else it is raise or fold.
I hate limping. What are your stats cleaner?

usualy around 20/13.5/2.6. I play a little tigher more aggressive since I move up to 50NL.

[Loc0Loc0]

Ok i just try to get some more agressive since moving up....

[C4LL4W4Y]

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usualy around 20/13.5/2.6. I play a little tigher more aggressive since I move up to 50NL.

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What did you run at 25? I remember playing against you on Stars awhile back.

lol, am I the only one giving out info ??

those are my usual stats for 25NL when 4tabling. I do get much nittier when 10 tabling.

[C4LL4W4Y]

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lol, am I the only one giving out info ??

those are my usual stats for 25NL when 4tabling. I do get much nittier when 10 tabling.

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Well I don't play at Stars anymore, but ran 19/15/4 when I did. I just remembered you to be pretty aggro. It was awhile ago, though.

[Loc0Loc0]

Everyone is going to everest?

[Check_The_Nuts]

I bet bigger, probably $4 if I bet. Its thin but I usually make this bet. Obviously fold to raise.

edit: I grunched above. After reading ama's post I agree its too thin.

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lol, am I the only one giving out info ??

those are my usual stats for 25NL when 4tabling. I do get much nittier when 10 tabling.

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Well I don't play at Stars anymore, but ran 19/15/4 when I did. I just remembered you to be pretty aggro. It was awhile ago, though.

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Where are you playing now ?

[C4LL4W4Y]

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lol, am I the only one giving out info ??

those are my usual stats for 25NL when 4tabling. I do get much nittier when 10 tabling.

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Well I don't play at Stars anymore, but ran 19/15/4 when I did. I just remembered you to be pretty aggro. It was awhile ago, though.

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Where are you playing now ?

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FTP w/ a little UB dabbling.

[kurto]

If you felt it was right to bet the river... betting $2 is a horrible bet (into a $5 pot.) It screams "take this away from me."

I would only make such a weak bet if I was trying to induce a bluff.

[VPIP100]

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Everyone is going to everest?

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Why did you think that?