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drsmooth
04-16-2007, 07:32 AM
I had a decent hand here, but this guy kept calling me before and by the river pots were big, and I didn't want to shove with top pair second kicker...


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $2.5</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($5.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $3</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($11.25, 2 players)


Is checkign the turn a mistake? What if I bet and he shoves? Its pretty hard to know where I am in these spots i feel

BoerfSt
04-16-2007, 07:37 AM
Thats a big re-raise pre flop.But I would bet the turn 8$ and fold to a raise.But if he calls the turn what do you do on the river?What if he just calls the turn and shoves the river?Is just calling his raise pre flop a mistake?

Just a few of my own questions /images/graemlins/smile.gifhope you dont mind.

drsmooth
04-16-2007, 07:39 AM
not at all.


edited because i ruined the river action.

Everlong
04-16-2007, 07:44 AM
IMO

Size of the re-raise is fine.
I'd normally bet around 4 on the flop
Check the turn - he will check behind 85% of the time here. (If he leads strong I shut down. We are usually beating nothing that leads the turn strong + we don't want a huge pot with this mediocre hand.)
Make a 1/2 pot valubet on the river (or check behind/fold to bet if an obv draw gets there).
Obv fold to a river raise.

Ace0fSpades
04-16-2007, 11:00 AM
Any stats or read would be really helpful here, but assuming you have no read I would bet ~$8 on the turn to bet out any potential flush or straight draws (clearly the turn didn't complete any draws).

ontiltsoon
04-16-2007, 11:08 AM
***GRUNCH***

Bet more on the flop. From 4.5$ to PSB.
As played bet 8$ on the turn, no reason to think you are beat now. If he shoves, I would fold if you both have full stacks.

ontiltsoon
04-16-2007, 11:12 AM
Don't you think the Board has too many draws to give a free card? If you both check there are many cards I don't want to see.

Just wondering if my thinking makes sense

Edit my typing sux

RobAtticus
04-16-2007, 11:28 AM
There are a lot of draws, but I'm having trouble determining what hands preflop he could call that would be utilizing those draws. QJdd is the best draw he could have, but would he really call being reraised preflop? I mean I guess it is possible, but I have a hard time believing that the Villian's range is much large than QQ-AA,AK,AQ.

Then again 25NL has some ridiculous players, so I guess the draw is possible.

drsmooth
04-16-2007, 12:32 PM
I checked through. Mistake number one?

River is a Jack of Spades, perhaps literally the worst card that could have cropped.

Now what?

Quester
04-16-2007, 12:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I checked through. Mistake number one?

River is a Jack of Spades, perhaps literally the worst card that could have cropped.

Now what?

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The J/images/graemlins/spade.gif is a bad card here, but certainly not the worst card. I'd hate to see J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif here more. I'd even get a bad feeling from Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I think a 1/2 pot bet is in order on this river.

AJGibson
04-16-2007, 12:47 PM
I check the turn here, not may worse hands are calling IMO, and you donīt want the pot getting big. 1/2 pot stab at it on the river.

Everlong
04-16-2007, 12:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I checked through. Mistake number one?

River is a Jack of Spades, perhaps literally the worst card that could have cropped.

Now what?

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Check behind or fold to river bet. Now you are literally not beating anything.

yeotaJMU
04-16-2007, 12:57 PM
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There are a lot of draws, but I'm having trouble determining what hands preflop he could call that would be utilizing those draws. QJdd is the best draw he could have, but would he really call being reraised preflop? I mean I guess it is possible, but I have a hard time believing that the Villian's range is much large than QQ-AA,AK,AQ.

Then again 25NL has some ridiculous players, so I guess the draw is possible.

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villains range is far larger than this, he is on the button and could be calling with any suited Ace easily. Bet the turn and depending on reads i may even call a shove here, realistically A9 and A5 are the only hands i would be worried about, while i would consider villains range to contain A4-AQ.