200BB's deep QQ gets 4-bet

[jonyy6788]

ok, villain is 33/29 nutjob

what do you do, and WHY (plz discuss ranges and postflop plans)

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<u>Hero (SB): $109.40</u>
BB: $23.70
UTG: $19.05
MP: $50
<u>CO: $186.60</u>
BTN: $77.30

<font color="black"> Preflop: </font> Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red"> CO raises to $1.75 </font>, BTN folds, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $5.75 </font>, BB folds, <font color="red"> CO raises to $17.75 </font>

[barryc83]

Ugh. Do you 2 have any history in this session? Whats his AF? Idk, but i think raising/folding sucks. I call, but this will suck OOP. My plan is to c/c any non A/K flop and c/f to more turn aggression. This plan sucks though bc you have to put in a whole stack just to see where youre at, but I dont see any other way to play it unless youre confident youre ahead of his range now.. Even though hes crazy do you think hed be [censored] around 200+ bb deep?

[tisthefire]

he's 33/29, i feel pretty good with queens here tbh

[jonyy6788]

no real history, but I haven't played back at him nor has anybody else

FLOP AF-5.67
Total-3.5

[barryc83]

Hes a reg or hes just some maniac fish?

[Acein8ter]

You could have called CO and probably would have been HU.

Your OOP w/your Q's, so unless you hit a good flop, you'll be guessing if he has AA/KK. Since there are 16 ways to make AK, I'd automatically put him on that hand.

If you call and an A or K drops, I'd be carefull. Then again, he could have TT or JJ.

If you don't put him on AK, AA or KK and play aggro, push and see what he has...

[jonyy6788]

I've never played with him before, but I assume most ppl playing 32/29 have some sensibility even if it is NL50


5-bet PF is not an option!

[prodonkey]

Well on stars I'd definetly call since the smaller pair always flops a set in a 3+ bet pot preflop.

What's his aggro? Will he fire 3 streets with AK? Standard for most guys like this is to pot every flop anyway.. If an A or K comes you're folding I'd assume.. unless there's a Q in it too. U willing to stack off on a T or J high flop with him? I usually make the mistake of paying these type of people off.. just because he's 33/29 doesn't mean he's 4 betting u light though.

I don't think reraising preflop is a good option... if u bump it to 40? You've almost got half your stack in there.. and he might still come over top and then you're either gonna be flipping for your stack or crushed.

I don't mind a call... you're getting close to the odds u need.. and u still could have the best hand.

I wouldn't fault anyone for finding a fold here either though. 4 bet pots out of position really puts u in a bad spot.

You're only getting 7.6:1 if u stack him every time u flop a Q.

[barryc83]

Seriously, if you dont think hes a fish, but just an extremely laggy player then i dont know if a fold is that bad. Youre giving up value but youre cutting down variance big time. IMO even laggy players dont get too crazy this deep. I think youre kidding yourself if you think TT/JJ is a huge part of his range.

[Acein8ter]

Your playing 6 max. There are 169 2 card combo's in a deck. You have QQ and the only 2 sets of card that you don't want him to have is AA, KK &amp; AK.

If he has AK, AQs, AJs, your slightly ahead if you push.

[jonyy6788]

Pushing is spew....it's totally out of the question

[Acein8ter]

Fold

[Jw513]

This is a tough one. I would call and see the flop. If its a clean board, then continue the hand cautiously, but I'd fold to a pot bet. Like someone else said, even laggy players aren't this loose with 200BB. Its highly possible that hes got you crushed. Seems unlikely to be 4-betting with 1010, JJ, or AK this deepstacked.

[yeotaJMU]

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This is a tough one. I would call and see the flop. If its a clean board, then continue the hand cautiously, but I'd fold to a pot bet. Like someone else said, even laggy players aren't this loose with 200BB. Its highly possible that hes got you crushed. Seems unlikely to be 4-betting with 1010, JJ, or AK this deepstacked.

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if you are gonna fold to a pot bet then fold now. i would fold in this situation, it sucks but it happens. if he is that lag youll catch him in a better spot anyway.

i can see an argument for calling, but playing QQ for set value is a waste imo. theres no reason to get stacked here.