50NL SB vs BB, turned gutshot straight but facing aggression.

[VPIP100]

Second orbit, no reads.

Seat 1: Hero ($59.20)
Seat 2: UTG ($47.95)
Seat 4: MP ($48.50)
Seat 5: Button ($49.25)
Seat 6: Villain ($177.00)
Villain posts the small blind of

$0.25
Hero posts the big blind of

$0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[8 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif]
MP folds
Button folds
Villain calls $0.25
Hero checks
*** FLOP *** [T /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif]
Villain checks
Hero bets $1.00
Villain calls $1.00
*** TURN *** [T /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif] [9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif]
Villain checks
Hero bets $3.00
Villain raises to $12.00
Hero ???

[Triggerle]

I probably go broke here as my straight is disguised. But I don't like it.

[cbloom]

Yeah it sure smells like KJ but I can't see folding.

[ama0330]

Problem is that his range is infinite in an unraised pot so you cant ever be sure of where you stand. Still, I dont feel good about folding, nor do I feel good about pushing. Given that you are wa/wb I think control is best here so I call this and call the river. Given that the pot will be $25 ish, it'll be hard for you to lose more than like 60bb here which I feel is reasonable. Obviously if he shoves the river, I think you can make a heroic fold.

[jmgambler]

One hand is beating me, IMHO I think the 9 just made him 2pr and he wants to take it down now.

I push (any reraise is gonna put you all-in at the river anyway)

[Kimo White Devil]

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Problem is that his range is infinite in an unraised pot so you cant ever be sure of where you stand. Still, I dont feel good about folding, nor do I feel good about pushing. Given that you are wa/wb I think control is best here so I call this and call the river. Given that the pot will be $25 ish, it'll be hard for you to lose more than like 60bb here which I feel is reasonable. Obviously if he shoves the river, I think you can make a heroic fold.

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I like that plan, shoving is not that good, you will let your opponent make a good fold or a good call, you want him to make a mistake and shoving wont do that

[jmgambler]

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I like that plan, shoving is not that good, you will let your opponent make a good fold or a good call, you want him to make a mistake and shoving wont do that

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Good call?...There is only one hand that beats hero now, I do not mind taking it down here... Is the right move to just call here? Problem with made str8's is ANY card that comes afterwards can ONLY hurt us

[Kimo White Devil]

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I like that plan, shoving is not that good, you will let your opponent make a good fold or a good call, you want him to make a mistake and shoving wont do that

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Good call?...There is only one hand that beats hero now, I do not mind taking it down here... Is the right move to just call here? Problem with made str8's is ANY card that comes afterwards can ONLY hurt us

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the fact that he folds when behind toa shove and a call here guarantee a bet from villain since when have position on the river if any blanks fall makes a call good here

[VPIP100]

I shoved since I would be forced to fold the river if:

He shoves
He bets when a spade, a 789TJQ or K comes.

He called and showed KJ for the nuts.

[MyQuil]

You know there are actually two hands that have you beat. J 8 would do it too.

[VPIP100]

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You know there are actually two hands that have you beat. J 8 would do it too.

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Yes I know.

But folding seemed so weak, calling turn and dodge over half the deck and then call a PSB/shove on the river was even worse.