NL100 - KQ OTB

[Kimo White Devil]

I know its 100NL, but I just moved up and I am still a uNL type player. I find these hands tough to play/extract value etc...hope discussion will help players about these thin hands. No reads

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($52.45)
UTG ($78.50)
MP ($64.65)
CO ($20.25)
Hero ($98.50)
SB ($57.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $9, MP calls $9.

Turn: ($29.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP bets $10</font>, Hero ?

[thac]

I really like a call here, I realize it's a really small bet, but if you raise, you're getting a lot of hands to fold.. and if you fold, you're losing a lot of value from retards.

I think, barring a 4, A, 6 on the river, I call pretty much any bet.

[CrustyFace]

I'd raise. His check call is suspicious to me. I'd rather raise now and have him fold than for a safe river to come and for him to make another small bet.

It's a safe board for him to extract with a set.

[corsakh]

Call turn. Need more information on the river, lots of different scenarios but I probably call any river, bet if checked on a safe river and check behind if a straight falls.

[Chomp]

I call here always, but have really started wondering recently if we are basically just saying to an observant player "I have a marginal K here". This could allow him to shove any scary river and push us off the best hand.

That said, do villains bluff like this often? Are they that observant? No idea.

[corsakh]

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I call here always, but have really started wondering recently if we are basically just saying to an observant player "I have a marginal K here". This could allow him to shove any scary river and push us off the best hand.

That said, do villains bluff like this often? Are they that observant? No idea.

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Your right. This is what we say. And if the stacks were bigger and the villain was good, this would be a terrible move. But with this stack against ur usual microstakes viallin this is the best line.

[Kimo White Devil]

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Call turn. Need more information on the river, lots of different scenarios but I probably call any river, bet if checked on a safe river and check behind if a straight falls.

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you dont have river info when you make a decision on the turn?

rest of hand :

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BB ($52.45)
UTG ($78.50)
MP ($64.65)
CO ($20.25)
Hero ($98.50)
SB ($57.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, MP calls $9.

Turn: ($29.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $59.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $69.5</font>.

River: ($158.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $158.50

botched it /images/graemlins/frown.gif he had 33.

[corsakh]

Turn is easy.

[thac]

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Call turn. Need more information on the river, lots of different scenarios but I probably call any river, bet if checked on a safe river and check behind if a straight falls.

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I don't bet on a safe river if he checks to me.. I'm happy to see a showdown.

[Chomp]

Hmmmmmmmm. Well, if you just called turn and river came 7d and he shoves, you probably think "bullsh*t" and call.

Alternatively, maybe you think "oh-oh, he has trapped me and my marginal K is ng" and fold.

I think at the moment I myself would do the former, but want to improve so I do the latter.

FWIW, the infamous "raising for information" (boooooooooo!) could have saved you some monies on the turn if you'd repopped to say $30 and folded to the inevitable push.

Poker is hard.