NL50 | 2 pair valueshove

[Xanta]

Villain is unknown. I'm pretty sure the river is a valueshove (Edit: I'm retarded, KQ doesn't call [censored] on the river.) although it's close IMO. Just a linecheck.


Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players
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SB: $24.72
BB: $42.01
UTG: $48.85
MP: $41.82
CO: $40.70
<font color="black">Xanta (BTN): $49.25</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Xanta is dealt Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Xanta raises to $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.25) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1.50</font>, Xanta calls $1.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($7.25) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="red">Xanta raises to $16</font>, BB calls $11

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39.25) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Xanta raises all-in to $29.75</font>

[barryc83]

I valueshove river here.

[BallinPro]

same here

[agoldenbear]

looks fine to me, unless BB is the type to flat call OOP with AK

[pavey21]

Easy value shove, BBs 3.50 bet on the river is a hugely fishy blocking bet, and he usually has something like A10 if not worse.

[NSchandler]

Do you guys really think KQ calls such a large raise here? Villain is behind any ace.

[pavey21]

No he doesn't, but he probably doesnt have KQ either based on the play of the flop. I guess you could make it like 10$ and tried to get payed off when you're ahead, but the pots big enough where i shove.

[Xanta]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you guys really think KQ calls such a large raise here? Villain is behind any ace.

[/ QUOTE ]
I am retarded. Thank you sir.

Actually, there's a good chance that villain doesn't realize KQ is behind any ace, but still jesus how do I not see that.

[Pirelli]

If he plays JT like this I think I throw up. The problem is that JT is much more likely then KQ. It would be great if we could put some more hands in his range so it's a shame he's an unknown

I think it's pretty close so it doesn't really matter whether you raise or call. His bet looks like a blocking bet so you probably are good.

[barryc83]

Im gonna guess that you lost to JT, but thats just variance IMO. Yes people will stack off with KQ not realizing theyve been counterfeited. Many donks cant fold Kx here, and its pp ffs.

[Xanta]

Nah, I'm posting because I was confused by the underdonkbet/call line on every street and how to interpret it.

[Better Than U]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes people will stack off with KQ not realizing theyve been counterfeited. Many donks cant fold Kx here, and its pp ffs.

[/ QUOTE ]I really don't think unknowns are that stupid at the $50 anymore. It's hard to imagine that an ace will call you here and hope for a chop. I don't think you're getting called by much that you beat but I feel dirty not raising a $3.50 bet in a $42 pot so I probably push as well.

[barryc83]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Yes people will stack off with KQ not realizing theyve been counterfeited. Many donks cant fold Kx here, and its pp ffs.

[/ QUOTE ]I really don't think unknowns are that stupid at the $50 anymore. It's hard to imagine that an ace will call you here and hope for a chop. I don't think you're getting called by much that you beat but I feel dirty not raising a $3.50 bet in a $42 pot so I probably push as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well Im gonna disagree with unknowns not being that bad anymore. If youve played enough hands at a certain level, you know who most of the regs are. The average unknown is terrible IMO and I play on PS. And no offense at all but lol at an A not calling. NOBODY FOLDS TOP PAIR.

[kolotoure]

1. Shove
2. Get called by any A
3. Profit

[Better Than U]

I play on Stars to, mostly cuz FT sucks. I'm going to agree to disagree with you.

[kolotoure]

The TAGs all suck so I'm pretty sure the unknowns do aswell

[Xanta]

Isn't the fact that he underdonkbet every street indicative of the fact that he blows? There's no hand that he could have that this would be a halfway decent line for.

[Dima2000123]

Definitely you should value shove. The river bet screams "Please let me see the showdown cheaply".

[inverted]

yea, the river bet looks like a scraed bet from a previously made hand. I think barry might be right

[Isura]

[ QUOTE ]
looks fine to me, unless BB is the type to flat call OOP with AK

[/ QUOTE ]

Him flat calling AK in the blinds has little to do with how I would play this hand, because he would not play the river like this with AK.

[Isura]

He has KJ/KT/Ax 90% of the time. Make him call a big bet.

[ama0330]

I disagree with everyone here, the turn action maes me feel a little uneasy about shoving the river. I just dont see this action being an ace other than AK which has us over a barrel, and I really cant see an ace calling an all-in here anyway. I dunno, maybe its a little weak, but I think I would just call behind here. I feel like we are only being looked up by better, no matter how wierd the action.