NL25: AK TPTK+NFD against limp-3bettor fish deep

[Jurrr]

Villain is 46/3/0.9 over 37 hands. Preflop I decide to call since it is a min-3bet but I figure I'm mostly in there for flush value (or if he gives up UI) as we're deep and I have position.

Flop I tank about raising but figure that I don't want to be raised off my good draw, my K outs are probably good unless he has KK and my flush outs as well though less likely to be paid off - but that my draw is not strong enough to play fast this deep.

Turn is trivial, of course.

The main question is the flop. Would you raise?

Hero ($54.23)
SB ($44.68)
BB ($15.45)
UTG ($75.54)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2.75</font>, Hero calls $1.25, SB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($8.50) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($18.50) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG calls $67.79 (All-In), Hero folds.

[Manchild84]

I think you have to raise that flop, and re-evaluate on a villain push.
JJ/AA are really the only hands in his 3-Bet range you're afraid of, and maybe you're even up against another AK.

[youthies]

I think that your hand is strong enough to get it AI on the flop.

[crushednuts]

Edit: missed the stack sizes..Call is actually good. Fold the turn as you could possibly be drawing dead.

[Jurrr]

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I think you have to raise that flop, and re-evaluate on a villain push. JJ/AA are really the only hands in his 3-Bet range you're afraid of

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I think that your hand is strong enough to get it AI on the flop.

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What am I going to reevaluate when he pushes flop? I have to know if I'm calling that push or not when I raise.

When a passive fish limp-min-3-bets (note the limp, note the min3bet) preflop I believe KK+ is a very big part of his range (like 90% of it).

My equity is 40% against KK+ AND if I define his range by raising then his pushing range probably has me as a 30% underdog.

P.S. That was my thinking, but of course the sample size is small and perhaps fish at 6max limp-min-3bet lighter than they do at FR which I usually play.

[Manchild84]

Oh. Sorry... Didn't notice the limp/3B.
I think it's probably fine as played then.

[youthies]

Nevermind, your play is okay. Thinking about it, I don't see you having any FE.

[Isura]

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I think that your hand is strong enough to get it AI on the flop.

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I don't agree. It is very strong against villain's range, but we have most of villain's range absolutely crushed. We don't want him to fold everything that we beat, so I like the flop call. But I'd call the turn and hope to suckout incase he had AA.

[jmgambler]

Save for the obvious, its an almost perfect flop, I have to raise here...... If I am pushed, its a rethink

[Isura]

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Save for the obvious, its an almost perfect flop, I have to raise here...... If I am pushed, its a rethink

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Doesn't that turn your hand into a bluff?

[Jurrr]

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But I'd call the turn and hope to suckout incase he had AA.

[/ QUOTE ]What do you think villain's range here is after the limp-3bet and especially after he open-shoves turn provided he is a passive fish in the small sample we have?

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If I am pushed, its a rethink

[/ QUOTE ]You have to figure out what you do if pushed before you raise flop IMHO.