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SomethingClever
04-14-2007, 02:32 PM
Villain is 61/8/0.8.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $128.45
BB: $377.75
UTG: $102.75
MP: $65.35
CO: $33.70
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $122.40</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3, BB calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($12) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $22</font>, BB calls $22, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $118.40</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $124.45</font>, BB calls $102.45

<font color="black">River:</font> ($379.30) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $379.30 ($3 Rake)

BB had 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a full house, Fives full of Fours)
SB had A/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (a straight, Five high)
Hero had A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (a straight, Five high)


Bonus one outer - turn bet was small... hping one of these two would raise.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $102.80</font>
BB: $162.20
UTG: $161.30
MP: $183.65
CO: $100
BTN: $119.45

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, BB folds, MP calls $3, BTN calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($13) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, MP calls $7, BTN calls $7

<font color="black">River:</font> ($34) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $25</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $25

Pot Size: $84 ($3 Rake)

MP had 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a straight flush, Five high)
Hero had J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a flush, Ace high)



Bonus dumb AA hand.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $99.40
BB: $109.90
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $93.65</font>
MP: $173.05
CO: $80.40
BTN: $189.15

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP folds, CO calls $4, BTN calls $4, SB folds, BB calls $3

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12, 2 folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($40.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $31</font>, CO calls $31

<font color="black">River:</font> ($102.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $34</font>, CO calls all-in for $33.40
Uncalled bet of $0.60 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $169.30 ($3 Rake)

CO had 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (four of a kind, Sevens)
Hero had A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
CaptUnlucky
04-14-2007, 02:43 PM
Nice open limp on button fish.

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Flintoff
04-14-2007, 02:47 PM
Err limping on the button?!?
ASPoker8
04-14-2007, 02:49 PM
Hand 1: Open $4
Hand 2: At least $9 on turn, nit

fish
ginko
04-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol
SomethingClever
04-14-2007, 03:59 PM
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Nice open limp on button fish.

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Reread TOP. Open limping on the button is fine in certain situations.
SomethingClever
04-14-2007, 04:00 PM
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Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol

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I knew he had 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4x. I probably should have folded.
SomethingClever
04-14-2007, 04:01 PM
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Hand 1: Open $4
Hand 2: At least $9 on turn, nit

fish

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I was trying to b/3b. Guy with 44 is very aggressive and the other player was a donklag who would bet/raise at weakness often.
aditya
04-14-2007, 05:11 PM
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Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol

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I knew he had 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4x. I probably should have folded.

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I sincerely hope your joking. Not about the folding, but advocating that it was the correct way you played the hand. If you seriously put him on exactly 4d, well yeah that's prolly why you're not that good. You lucked out in this 1 situation in that you were correct, but you would miss a lot of value in almost any other situation.
Pudge714
04-14-2007, 06:54 PM
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Nice open limp on button fish.

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Reread TOP. Open limping on the button is fine in certain situations.

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Why did you do it here?
BallinPro
04-14-2007, 07:02 PM
i would have to agree
pp262
04-14-2007, 07:11 PM
lol @ button open limp
w_alloy
04-14-2007, 07:27 PM
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Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol

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I knew he had 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4x. I probably should have folded.

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If you are this good of a hand reader, you should be playing a lot higher than .5/1.
tiltseeker
04-14-2007, 07:28 PM
&gt;&lt;((((((*&gt;
Kala1928
04-15-2007, 12:36 PM
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Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol

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I knew he had 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4x. I probably should have folded.

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If you are this good of a hand reader, you should be folding the river

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SomethingClever
04-15-2007, 12:47 PM
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Nice open limp on button fish.

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Reread TOP. Open limping on the button is fine in certain situations.

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Why did you do it here?

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Because BB is terrible, I have position on him, he pays off very lightly. I want to play as many +ev hands as possible against him. I figure limping is better than raising there because he rarely folds the blind and he's not gonna let me showdown unimproved.

Did you notice that he called after a shove AND a call with just a set on the turn there?
SomethingClever
04-15-2007, 12:56 PM
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Nice check on the river with the 2nd nuts lol

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I knew he had 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4x. I probably should have folded.

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I sincerely hope your joking. Not about the folding, but advocating that it was the correct way you played the hand. If you seriously put him on exactly 4d, well yeah that's prolly why you're not that good. You lucked out in this 1 situation in that you were correct, but you would miss a lot of value in almost any other situation.

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I've played probably 700 hands with this particular villain and have a super solid read on him. He is very tight and aggressive, he won't coldcall with anything but pairs. He'll reraise big suited broadway cards from time to time but won't just cold-call them (against a player like me anyway).

A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif is out there, I have K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif and J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. He would reraise QQ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif obviously, and and probably TT/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 99/images/graemlins/diamond.gif and 88/images/graemlins/diamond.gifas well.

So his range is basically 77:diamond and lower. The guy is straightforward and rarely bluffs. If I raise, will he call with 77/images/graemlins/diamond.gif? No.

There's an example in TOP where sklansky talks about a raise only having value if worse hands will call. This is one of those situations. He's simply not going to call a shove with a worse hand here for two reasons:

1. He's not an idiot
2. He essentially CAN'T have a decent diamond!

Against an unknown player or a donk, river is obviously a lead/shove.

But thanks for telling me I'm no good at poker. Grease fire, etc....
KidLifeCrisis
04-15-2007, 01:02 PM
Did anyone else here laugh at the button limp yet???
Pudge714
04-15-2007, 01:14 PM
SC,
The fact that he will protect his blinds so wide makes raising really +EV. The fact he can't fold a set there means he is in a group of 99% of poker players.
SinkRox
04-15-2007, 03:51 PM
ZOMG HE DIDNT FOLD HIS SET THERE WTF.
Uppercut
04-15-2007, 04:53 PM
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Because BB is terrible, I have position on him, he pays off very lightly. I want to play as many +ev hands as possible against him. <u>I figure limping is better than raising there because he rarely folds the blind </u> and he's not gonna let me showdown unimproved.


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If he rarely folds his blind, explain again why you decided to open-limp on the button with AA. /images/graemlins/confused.gif
Christophers
04-15-2007, 06:24 PM
Wow, you're terrible.
Chaoslord
04-15-2007, 06:42 PM
yep. you are terrible and deserve to loose =)
yid3655
04-15-2007, 08:52 PM
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The fact that he will protect his blinds so wide makes raising really +EV. The fact he can't fold a set there means he is in the group of good of poker players.

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FYP
npknhldr
04-15-2007, 11:34 PM
If he's that bad open limping ATC is fine, and of course raising w/ a WIDE range of hands (any suited ace included).