Stack a donk good here?

[gopnik]

Villain is loose/bad

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MP ($75.05)
Button ($49.75)
SB ($53.05)
BB ($37.15)
Hero ($52.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $5</font>, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($14.75) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $45.2</font>...

[IsaacAsimov]

Well if he is a bad and loose player it's obv were going broke here. I asume stack a donk is referring to the line you took (I am a noob when it comes to knowing all the terminology used on 2+2). I am definetly rr this flop here to charge villain the most if he has a draw. It's not like he will be scared and fold a hand like KJ. I hate calling and have the turn come an 8,9,t,5,3 or club.

[Xanta]

Not a huge fan of giving a free card on such a drawy board to be honest. I lead for $4 on the flop to charge draws, probably 3bet if he minraises me, and if I don't 3bet I'm probably going to donk the turn.

If you know he's going to bet ATC when you check to him on the turn I guess this is OK, but minraises on drawy flops are often people trying to get free cards with draws.

[Sean Fraley]

If the answer to the three questions below are "yes", then go right ahead.

1) Does he raise the flop with TPTK or less?

2) Will he go broke with top pair when I shove the turn?

3) Does he always play his flush draws and OESDs passively on the flop?

[gopnik]

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If the answer to the three questions below are "yes", then go right ahead.

1) Does he raise the flop with TPTK or less?

2) Will he go broke with top pair when I shove the turn?

3) Does he always play his flush draws and OESDs passively on the flop?

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Sean, in order for me to answer your questions, I'd probaly have to spend a couple of years playing with the villain. All I had were his loose stats and I noticed that he was pretty bad postflop.

[el_dusto]

bet more on the flop, charge that FD.

i like the turn raise. a lot.

[Ace0fSpades]

I make this kind of stop-and-go/stack-a-donk kind of play a lot on donks. I think you played this fine as long as you are confident he isn't raising a flush draw.

[barryc83]

OOP I'm usually RRing the flop against a donk. I dont wanna give a free card on the turn so I just b/3b AI.

[thac]

3-bet the flop and shove the rest in on the turn.. no need to play this passively. If he's bad postflop then he'll call down lightly, so stop playing like a little girl.

[youthies]

Bet $4 on the flop, since this flop has lots of draws I'd 3bAI here.

[thac]

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Bet $4 on the flop, since this flop has lots of draws I'd 3bAI here.

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I didn't even see the weak flop bet.. yeah seriously. Bet 4, 3-bet allin.

[Panic__NL]

just a little offtopic, where can i find more about the stack a donk line?

[OneBigRed]

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just a little offtopic, where can i find more about the stack a donk line?

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I dont think there's much more to know. You Bet flop -&gt; Raise -&gt; You Call -&gt; Check turn -&gt; Bet -&gt; You raise AWW INN!

[Panic__NL]

but why and which situations are the right ones to do this?

[thac]

Usually when you have a small set like 22 on a 2QA board against a TAG that's likely to fire a turn with an ace. It's mostly to just punish the over-aggressive players when you have the nuts or a really strong hand and you suspect that they have a piece (a weaker piece) of the board.

It's something like.. they'll fold if you bet maybe, but they'll bet if you check to them. And by that point they may feel committed enough to call you.


(I don't like this line much because it relies on your opponents to bet, I much prefer betting flop and turn - but a lot of people like the stackadonk line)

[Isura]

Flop bet is too small. Very coordinated texture, and you also don't want to see a lot of turn cards that kill your action. So just pot it on the flop. I would bet the turn unless he is very aggressive, or likes to float. But a lot of players will probably take a free card, and maybe "protect" hands like KJ. So the question becomes, will he call this c/r or does betting and then betting river a better way to stack a pair.

[Sean Fraley]

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If the answer to the three questions below are "yes", then go right ahead.

1) Does he raise the flop with TPTK or less?

2) Will he go broke with top pair when I shove the turn?

3) Does he always play his flush draws and OESDs passively on the flop?

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Sean, in order for me to answer your questions, I'd probaly have to spend a couple of years playing with the villain. All I had were his loose stats and I noticed that he was pretty bad postflop.

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If you don't have at least approximate answers to these questions, then the desire to stack-a-donk with just an overpair on this kind of board is a primary symptom of Fancy Play Syndrome. Bet/3-Bet AI is better here if we have insufficient info on villain.

[Isura]

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If the answer to the three questions below are "yes", then go right ahead.

1) Does he raise the flop with TPTK or less?

2) Will he go broke with top pair when I shove the turn?

3) Does he always play his flush draws and OESDs passively on the flop?

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Sean, in order for me to answer your questions, I'd probaly have to spend a couple of years playing with the villain. All I had were his loose stats and I noticed that he was pretty bad postflop.

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If you don't have at least approximate answers to these questions, then the desire to stack-a-donk with just an overpair on this kind of board is a primary symptom of Fancy Play Syndrome. Bet/3-Bet AI is better here if we have insufficient info on villain.

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The problem is that bet/3-bet is bad because he is going to just raise the turn with a worst hand (he would have raised the flop if he wanted to play for stacks with his hand). So you are only hoping that a turn bet induces a bluff raise, which seems unlikely. I'm more inclined to bet/fold the turn here, and probably block a bad river, and check/call to induce a bluff on a blank river.