Why the flop minraise is bad in NL holdem

[MusashiStyle]

I don't usually peel needing rr, but i figurd he deserves it for minraising.

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MP ($109.75)
CO ($58.60)
Hero ($95.85)
SB ($36.75)
BB ($55.35)
UTG ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.25) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7.

River: ($30.25) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $22</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $44</font>, BB calls $18.35 (All-In).

Final Pot: $114.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has 9c 8c (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $114.60. </font>

[Kimbell175113]

But you had the clubs AND the 89T, so it was a double runner runner. nh.

[molotom]

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SB ($13.30)
BB ($12.50)
UTG ($7.60)
MP ($9.85)
CO ($4.40)
Hero ($14.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.65) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.1</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $0.2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $0.4</font>, UTG calls $0.10.

Turn: ($1.45) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks.

River: ($1.45) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: $1.45

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 3c 9h (one pair, kings).
UTG has Ah Qh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG wins $1.45. </font>

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I love it when this happens. It's what they all deserve.


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MP ($25.60)
CO ($16.55)
Hero ($32.80)
SB ($9.25)
BB ($15.80)
UTG ($34)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.60) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $6.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $31.05</font>, BB calls $7.30 (All-In).

Turn: ($48.70) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($48.70) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $48.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ad Ks (one pair, aces).
Hero has 2c 2h (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $48.70. </font>

[ASPoker8]

you played this hand wonderfully

[shaundeeb]

he played better then you.

[MusashiStyle]

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But you had the clubs AND the 89T, so it was a double runner runner. nh.

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lol my chance increases from .5% to .8% (or something). BTW those hands are a bit different, i'm talking bout when someone minraises u on the flop and u call with nothing becuz of the odds and monster suckout.

[MusashiStyle]

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he played better then you.

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you are incorrect ( set is never good in that spot on river where 3 flush qjt board, river is where most of money went in) lol donkaments.

[ASPoker8]

[ QUOTE ]
he played better then you.

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[[Phill]]

You minraise on river.

Therefor both misplayed the hand.

[Kimbell175113]

Bad river call by villain, though, since he had to have been putting you on AK.

[Brayn]

Is this this: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post9942711 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=9942711&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post 9942711) ? Lol.