Not sure I can beat these experts

[Flintoff]

Gonna stick with NL for a while.



Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
5 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $288.20
<u>BB: $147.89</u>
<u>Hero (UTG): $197</u>
CO: $388.51
BTN: $231.62

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $12</font>, Hero calls $5

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($22) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($26) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2

<font color="black">River:</font> ($30) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $42</font>, <font color="red">Hero goes all-in for $181</font>, <font color="red">BB goes all-in for $131.89</font>

Hero had J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a straight Ten to Ace) and won (+$146.39)
BB had K/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (three of a kind, Kings) and lost (-$145.89)

Pot Size: $342.89

[Imrahil]

I loled

[vortex86]

i still dislike you (and im serious)

[Flintoff]

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i still dislike you (and im serious)

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[Red Lion]

I think your river play is fairly poor.

[Flintoff]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

[grando]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

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cause the guy isn't calling with worse enough for your push to be profitable

[lwrunner103]

If this hand was on stars the only hand villian has is NF obv.

[Red Lion]

Exactly. The times he turns over a random flush far outweigh the times he turns over a set of kings.

[lwrunner103]

Any chat where villian complains that iy is rigged how you made your straight and all.

[DING-DONG YO]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

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cause the guy isn't calling with worse enough for your push to be profitable

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I really need to re-read NLHETAP.

[kkcountry]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

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cause the guy isn't calling with worse enough for your push to be profitable

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I really need to re-read NLHETAP.

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why bother? i thought SALAZARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR was taking you to school?

[Flintoff]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

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cause the guy isn't calling with worse enough for your push to be profitable

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Really??! I put him on JJ. Man, I thought this was ABC stuff against an idiot.

[DING-DONG YO]

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I think your river play is fairly poor.

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Lets see. Erm. All his money = mine. Nope. I don't see what you are getting at.

edit: sarcasm aside, why? I'm keen to learn.

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cause the guy isn't calling with worse enough for your push to be profitable

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I really need to re-read NLHETAP.

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why bother? i thought SALAZARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR was taking you to school?

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lol indeed. [censored] Sklansky. Who needs em when you got SALAZARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

[lwrunner103]

This might be OK/marginal like 3-4 years ago but I would never do this against an unknown.

[Flintoff]

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Any chat where villian complains that it is rigged how you made your straight and all.

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He left immediately.

[Teh1337zor]

def -gbux river play

[DMoogle]

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def -gbux river play

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I disagree. This guy just seems so bad that I think it's +EV. If he played KK this way, then he'd probably stack off with any two pair in a situation like this as well.

[lwrunner103]

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def -gbux river play

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I disagree. This guy just seems so bad that I think it's +EV. If he played KK this way, then he'd probably stack off with any two pair in a situation like this as well.

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Just in case I'm not getting levelled, against an unknown at 200NL you would be losing Gbucks. After seeing what he had obv this is a winning Gbucks play. Right?

[DMoogle]

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Just in case I'm not getting levelled, against an unknown at 200NL you would be losing Gbucks. After seeing what he had obv this is a winning Gbucks play. Right?

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Well, I was assuming OP already knew that villian was a complete idiot. If he thought that he was a weak, but reasonable player, then it is losing Gbucks.

[Flintoff]

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Just in case I'm not getting levelled, against an unknown at 200NL you would be losing Gbucks. After seeing what he had obv this is a winning Gbucks play. Right?

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Well, I was assuming OP already knew that villian was a complete idiot. If he thought that he was a weak, but reasonable player, then it is losing Gbucks.

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I worked out he was an idiot preflop, on the flop, on the turn and then the river confirmed it.

[ImsaKidd]

Are you guys saying he shouldnt raise the river? LOL.

[fjbourne]

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Are you guys saying he shouldnt raise the river? LOL.

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nah the consensus seems to be that pushing over his min -raise isnt +EV unless we are certain he is the type of individual that min bets top set on a draw heavy board twice

[Flintoff]

So are people saying I shoulda just minraised again and folded to a push?!?

[holdme]

he just wanted to show it down

[DMoogle]

4-betting a straight for value on the river with a possible flush out there is usually not something you want to be doing. You can probably find a better spot to stack him than this.

[Flintoff]

I'd be interested as to what some of the big guns like Grim would have done. Then again, this is never gonna happen at those stakes.

You really have to see some of these idiots' moves to believe them.

[Flintoff]

These games are just insane

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $203.70
<u>Hero (BB): $200</u>
UTG: $161.45
MP: $437.05
<u>CO: $189.85</u>
BTN: $260.45

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($48) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $82</font>, CO calls $66

<font color="black">River:</font> ($212) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero goes all-in for $92</font>, <font color="red">CO goes all-in for $83.85</font>

Hero had 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (three of a kind, Fours) and won (+$189.85)
CO mucked J /images/graemlins/club.gifK /images/graemlins/club.gif and lost (-$189.85)

Pot Size: $387.85

[kapw7]

I made the same move like you last November from FL 10/20 to NL. I don't play limit anymore but I play some PLO (imagine that)Anyway, believe me, the advice from the guys in SSNL is much more useful to beat these games than "what grimstar would do". Also keep in mind that you can run bad at NL as well.

Oh yes. Just deposited to play at Party after your post /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[GameTheory]

I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

[Curse]

I worked out he was an idiot preflop, on the flop, on the turn and then the river confirmed it.

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[Curse]

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I worked out he was an idiot preflop, on the flop, on the turn and then the river confirmed it.

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[brandofo]

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[ludacris]

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I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

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i dont think calling a minbet of $2 in a $26 pot is all that bad here DUCY?

[Lori]

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Just in case I'm not getting levelled, against an unknown at 200NL you would be losing Gbucks. After seeing what he had obv this is a winning Gbucks play. Right?

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Well, I was assuming OP already knew that villian was a complete idiot. If he thought that he was a weak, but reasonable player, then it is losing Gbucks.

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I worked out he was an idiot because it's 200nl at party

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[thebeebster]

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[Gildwulf]

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I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

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[Flintoff]

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I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

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Aww gimme a break. Jeez, What flush hand would he min reraise preflop on? You are putting on an incredibly specific AQh and when he hits his nutflush he bets $2 on turn and river?

[DMoogle]

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I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

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Wasn't there a thread somewhere in BBV where people posted the worst poker presents they've received (including really terrible T-shirts)? That thread was pretty [censored] funny, if I remember correctly.

[Supwithbates]

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These games are just insane

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $203.70
<u>Hero (BB): $200</u>
UTG: $161.45
MP: $437.05
<u>CO: $189.85</u>
BTN: $260.45

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($48) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $82</font>, CO calls $66

<font color="black">River:</font> ($212) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero goes all-in for $92</font>, <font color="red">CO goes all-in for $83.85</font>

Hero had 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (three of a kind, Fours) and won (+$189.85)
CO mucked J /images/graemlins/club.gifK /images/graemlins/club.gif and lost (-$189.85)

Pot Size: $387.85

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Villain's thought process:
i hit the flop! not top pair but best kickar! he bets the ace anyways so im best, better get mad value for a hand this strong, i need to build a pot, let's make a big bet.... hmmm, 6x potsize seems about right

he called?! hmm, he checks again, he must think im bluffing and is weak, i better bet small to keep him in the hand... LOL HE THOUGHT MY SMALL BET WAS A BLUFF SO HE BLUFFRAISEDE LOL I CALL

wtf allin? YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW POWERFUL I AM i valuecall my 39th nuts

[DMoogle]

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Villain's thought process:
i hit the flop! not top pair but best kickar! he bets the ace anyways so im best, better get mad value for a hand this strong, i need to build a pot, let's make a big bet.... hmmm, 6x potsize seems about right

he called?! hmm, he checks again, he must think im bluffing and is weak, i better bet small to keep him in the hand... LOL HE THOUGHT MY SMALL BET WAS A BLUFF SO HE BLUFFRAISEDE LOL I CALL

wtf allin? YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW POWERFUL I AM i valuecall my 39th nuts

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Actually it's the 25th nuts. I counted.

35 AA JJ 88 44 22 AJ A8 A4 A2 J8 J4 J2 84 82 42 AK AQ AT A9 A7 A6 A5 A3 JK

Take that.

[the machine]

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Villain's thought process:
i hit the flop! not top pair but best kickar! he bets the ace anyways so im best, better get mad value for a hand this strong, i need to build a pot, let's make a big bet.... hmmm, 6x potsize seems about right

he called?! hmm, he checks again, he must think im bluffing and is weak, i better bet small to keep him in the hand... LOL HE THOUGHT MY SMALL BET WAS A BLUFF SO HE BLUFFRAISEDE LOL I CALL

wtf allin? YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW POWERFUL I AM i valuecall my 39th nuts

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Actually it's the 25th nuts. I counted.

35 AA JJ 88 44 22 AJ A8 A4 A2 J8 J4 J2 84 82 42 AK AQ AT A9 A7 A6 A5 A3 JK

Take that.

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do i get free monies for fiding more hands that beat KJ then u posted....

meh KK, QQ

[Squareview]

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def -gbux river play

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I disagree. This guy just seems so bad that I think it's +EV. If he played KK this way, then he'd probably stack off with any two pair in a situation like this as well.

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what cant u clowns understand about G-bux, seriously its not that complicated

[Zaid_Ahmed]

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I think drawing to a gutshot when there's already a flush on the board is fkin stupid.

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implied odds