FLORIDA TO GET NORMAL STAKES POKER AND BLACKJACK IN JULY!!!

[nineinchal]

Just got a hotline call from the Hardrock. Can anybody else confirm?

Supposedly dealers are in training for BJ. Also, the Hardrock (Seminole Tribe) is negotiating for oceanfront property in Fort Lauderdale to build another Hotel/Casino.

The move is being made to give the taxpayers some property tax relief. I can't wait for my January vacation, Florida has the world's worst poker players.

[UATrewqaz]

If this is true I'll be visiting my gf in Florida alot more.

[plomahaaaa]

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Just got a hotline call from the Hardrock.


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Can you define hotline call, give number...or quote it?
Also, can you define "normal" stakes poker?

Thanks

[TreyWilly]

This is great news.

Texas
West Virginia?
Florida

I can only hope these serve as a model, and the cramped limits we're forced to play in Colorado are changed.

I look forward to details.

[1p0kerboy]

In a previous thread it was pretty much decided that Florida was adding blackjack but not upping the stakes in poker.

[Russ M.]

I wish you people would stop getting my hopes up with these Florida poker threads. Until it is 100% confirmed that the stakes have been raised and/or NL has been allowed, stop toying with my emotions.

[flafishy]

This thread is completely bogus. Nothing here.

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In a previous thread it was pretty much decided that Florida was adding blackjack but not upping the stakes in poker.

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There is a Florida Senate committee that is drafting a bill that would allow blackjack. That's a long way from saying Florida is adding blackjack.

[TreyWilly]

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Stop toying with my emotions.

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Consider mine toyed.

[Jeff_B]

OP
are you in florida because after read this I would love to hang out with you along with a few other 2+2ers in florida im sure...

[nineinchal]

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Just got a hotline call from the Hardrock.


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Can you define hotline call, give number...or quote it?
Also, can you define "normal" stakes poker?

Thanks

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It is a world famous fat guy I know. He does business with the Hardrock and he says he witnessed actual humans being trained in black jack dealing. I have no reason to doubt him, since I am his poker tutor. He also buys percentages of me in tourneys.

My definition of normal stakes is 10/20, 20/40, etc.

Thanks

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[berya]

BUT what exactly did he say about poker??? Please don't tease us like that and just post what he said about blackjack. What did he say about poker??????

[nineinchal]

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BUT what exactly did he say about poker??? Please don't tease us like that and just post what he said about blackjack. What did he say about poker??????

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He said that poker must be legalized since the state of Florida is under financial pressure. At this point the state sees poker as a method to alleviate some of the tax burden of homeowners. He also said that the racetracks will be getting poker, and if that happens, the Indian casinos are automatically allowed to operate in this manner. This makes a lot of sense to me.

However, the guy I know is a businessman, and not a legislator, so he doesn't control the lawmaking process or the authority to make any of this happen.

Nineinchal

[Tofu_boy]

please come true. I live 1.5hr from Seminole Tampa. I only go there once a month on Wed for the $100 tourney. Never play that stupid Limit cash game there with 2-2 Limit which is such. I hope they will get 5-10 Limit and up and 1-2NL will be nice.

Go FL go,,, FL gator can win now the whole state of FL can win b/c of this. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Eric Stoner]

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BUT what exactly did he say about poker??? Please don't tease us like that and just post what he said about blackjack. What did he say about poker??????

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He said that poker must be legalized since the state of Florida is under financial pressure. At this point the state sees poker as a method to alleviate some of the tax burden of homeowners. He also said that the racetracks will be getting poker, and if that happens, the Indian casinos are automatically allowed to operate in this manner. This makes a lot of sense to me.

However, the guy I know is a businessman, and not a legislator, so he doesn't control the lawmaking process or the authority to make any of this happen.

Nineinchal

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If your guy is talking about dog tracks getting poker - some tracks have had them for quite awhile - two years or so.

I played in a dog track facility - it was fun.

[nineinchal]

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If your guy is talking about dog tracks getting poker - some tracks have had them for quite awhile - two years or so.

I played in a dog track facility - it was fun.

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I know there is poker at the dog track, its just for $1 and $2 limit. I am talking about increasing the limits to stakes that players care about.

[Wahoo73]

Is there a good reason that you continue to seemingly ignore this other thread on the same subject?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...4&fpart=all (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=law&Number=9722677&page=4 &fpart=all)

[flafishy]

OP is a known troll. Ignore him. His "news" has no basis in fact.

[nineinchal]

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OP is a known troll. Ignore him. His "news" has no basis in fact.

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It is a fact for me. My man was given a tour of the dealer training, and gave me a call after that with the exciting news. Like I say, he is a businessman and not a legislator, but management at the Hardrock in Hollywood is anticipating this. If they anticipate it that's all I can communicate. I am not the f#%king governor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChipLeeder]

I've heard that rumor from before the Hard Rock was built and it recurs every few months.

I actually hope you are right but i seriously doubt it.

[Gobgogbog]

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If this is true I'll be visiting my gf in Florida alot more.

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If this is true then I, too, will be visiting your gf in Florida alot more.

[flafishy]

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If this is true I'll be visiting my gf in Florida alot more.

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If this is true then I, too, will be visiting your gf in Florida alot more.

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It's not true, so I will be visiting his gf in Florida alot more.

[fsuplayer]

florida has wayyyy too many dumb people with money.

this would be a godsend.

[dozer]

Good news: Poker and Blackjack will be more prevalent in FL

Bad news: It's going to be LAME
LINK TO ARTICLE (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-fvideo10apr10,0,4150891.story)

[cardcounter0]

I think the "poker" they are talking about is Video Poker, Jacks or Better, Double Bonus, etc. I don't think they even mean e-tables.

[AAbsurdist]

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Good news: Poker and Blackjack will be more prevalent in FL

Bad news: It's going to be LAME
LINK TO ARTICLE (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-fvideo10apr10,0,4150891.story)

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super lame. god i wish they'd add higher stakes regular poker and bj. the poker games would be sooooo soft.

i'd probably throw away all of my poker winnings playing bj, but it'd be fun anyway

[flafishy]

What this is talking about are those craptastic machines like they now have in the Seminole casinos, a step down from the Class 3 slots that have recently made an appearance.

Not sure how you interpreted poker and bj out of this.

[Russ M.]

What I'd like to know is why video poker and freakin' Keno (KENO?!?!) would be okay but oh noes not higher poker stakes! Won't somebody please think of the children!

[Truthiness24]

Seminole "could" raise the stakes and add blackjack without a change in law by the FL legislature.

The laws on this subject are unclear to me, but I know that it is possible and has to do with the state having a deadline to negotiate with the tribe ... the state ignored the deadline, to my knowledge, and now the tribe is working with BIA to expand gaming, including blackjack and poker.

So, while the OP might be full of baloney, don't go troll on him either. I'm going to maintain hope and write some letters.

[THAY3R]

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Senate Democratic leader Steve Geller, of Cooper City, said the video lottery machines mean "vast amounts of statewide revenues," estimated at $900 million to $2 billion by 2010. It would be earmarked for education.

"It's a boatload of money," said Geller, who sponsored the bill. "The state needs it right now."

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Ain't hypocrisy great /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[TrickyDik]

FWIW, my friend is a dealer at the Melbourne poker room in Florida. She said they will soon be adding 2/5 limit to their poker room... They're currently only spreading 1/2...

[Russ M.]

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FWIW, my friend is a dealer at the Melbourne poker room in Florida. She said they will soon be adding 2/5 limit to their poker room... They're currently only spreading 1/2...

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Try to get some solid info from a manager (such as when and why).

[flafishy]

Dealers around here are always saying stuff like that. I think they just like to say that kind of stuff as sport to see how far and fast the rumor will spread.

[NY60]

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Dealers around here are always saying stuff like that. I think they just like to say that kind of stuff as sport to see how far and fast the rumor will spread.

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As much as I hate to admit that FLafishy is correct, BUT, unfortunately he/she is correct on this point. I was playing in a tournament at the Hoolywood (Mardi Gras) greyhound track the other night and the dealer actually said that he couldn't wait for them to add the "dice games" and that they were actually in the process of building the tables up on the third floor. The guy was a total twit and I stiffed him because he was also giving us such bad service as well.

[AAbsurdist]

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What this is talking about are those craptastic machines like they now have in the Seminole casinos, a step down from the Class 3 slots that have recently made an appearance.

Not sure how you interpreted poker and bj out of this.

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i realize what the article said, hence the "super lame". i was just voicing my wishes regarding poker/bj.

[flafishy]

AAbsurdist, I wasn't responding to you but the OP. Sorry.

[CybrPunk]

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OP is a known troll. Ignore him. His "news" has no basis in fact.

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Responder is a known pessimist. He never says a positive word about anything. Ignore him.

A bit inappropriate and uncalled for, fishy?

So was yours.

[flafishy]

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OP is a known troll. Ignore him. His "news" has no basis in fact.

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Responder is a known pessimist. He never says a positive word about anything. Ignore him.

A bit inappropriate and uncalled for, fishy?

So was yours.

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WTF is your problem?

People here get all wild and orgasmic everytime someone stars a rumor that the poker landscape in Florida is going to change. I disbunk those rumors and because of that I'm a known pessimist who never says a positive word about anything?

OK. Hows this? The nephew of a guy who lives next door to a girl I work with says Donald Trump is going to build a big honking casino on Hollywood Beach and they're going to let him have blackjack and high-stakes poker and anything he wants. I can't wait.

Optimistic enough for you?

Just piss off.

[NY60]

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OP is a known troll. Ignore him. His "news" has no basis in fact.

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Responder is a known pessimist. He never says a positive word about anything. Ignore him.

A bit inappropriate and uncalled for, fishy?

So was yours.

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I agree!!!!

Besides, Flafishy is wholly misinformed. For example, in the previous thread he made a FACTUAL statement that poker is totally regulated by a gaming commission in the State of Florida, that the FL State legislature is totally powerless to regulate poker in FL, AND that it would take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to get higher stakes poker in FL.

I am an attorney who has practiced extensively in this area of the law and I just laughed at how stupid these statements were.

FL's poker laws can be found in the Florida Statutes dealing with crimes best known as the FL penal code which makes gambling a crime, then it sets forth certain exceptions for poker.

To come forth with such powerful yet totally misinformed statements to the contrary only fuels the existing misconceptions making it harder for informed citizens to participate in these debates with their legislators.

Please, if you are going to say something factual, CHECK IT OUT first so that you do not cause more harm than good.

[PokerAmateur4]

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OP
are you in florida because after read this I would love to hang out with you along with a few other 2+2ers in florida im sure...

[/ QUOTE ]Im sometimes in FL, maybe we chill sometime.

[RobertC]

Synopsis of S 0752 (http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?File=sb0752c1.html&Directory=session/2007/Senate/bills/billtext/html&Tab=session&Submenu=1) in Florida Senate


STATEMENT OF SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES CONTAINED IN
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR
Senate Bill 752


"It changes the hours of operation from between 10:00 A.M. and 2:00 A.M. and allows local government to extend the hours by majority vote.

It changes the maximum bet from $2 to $10."

Anyone think this has any chance of passing?

[Russ M.]

Dunno the chances, but this is very nice to actually see the verbage in the bill specifically designate an increase in stakes in poker. This would be a huge leap and IMO would probably have a better chance of passing than if they tried to include some kind of low stakes NL.

[Truthiness24]

This is for real. No idea on if it can pass, but it looks like powerful people are backing it.

The state is looking for alternative tax revenue streams. This is viable and the $2 games we have put a foot in the door. There really aren't any moral objections aside from what's already out there.

I don't agree about pushing low stakes NL -- non-card players can't wrap their head around that concept -- it sounds too risky to them. Let's try to get this in and we'll see what we can do next year.

FL people, please flood your reps with letters between now and Monday. Non FL people make calls and say you'd be more likely to come to FL as a visitor.

I know were usually all talk and no action here, but this is not a time for the trolls -- we actually can accomplish something useful by giving the system a gentle nudge in the direction it's already going.

If this passes, seek me out and I'll get some folks to help with the CA initiative or anything else that helps poker.

[Truthiness24]

I was checking out the FL House bill that is the companion. It seems to raise the stakes to $5 instead of $10 but allow for $100NL. It seems that this one will pass through too and then they'll work out the differences in committee, unless the session expires on them. But we think that they are pushing it pretty hard.

Please make some calls. I'll get numbers if anyone is interested.

[evilgenius]

God i hope this passes. I learned limit and was starting to regret not learning NL. This would be great. Any word on max rake?

[Truthiness24]

It doesn't change in the bill. It was already high to begin with.

The bill also authorizes jackpots, so expect a $5+1 rake.

It helps the tracks because they'll get a $5 rake almost every hand.

[flafishy]

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This is for real. No idea on if it can pass, but it looks like powerful people are backing it.

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What powerful people?

[NY60]

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It doesn't change in the bill. It was already high to begin with.

The bill also authorizes jackpots, so expect a $5+1 rake.

It helps the tracks because they'll get a $5 rake almost every hand.

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The Bill also allows RE-BUY Tournaments which they cannot currently offer so the $100.00 buy in tournaments can become even bigger and better especially if the cardrooms structure it to allow 30 minute levels like at Seminole Hollywood's Wednesday night $65.00 buy in $20.00 re-buy tournament which offers a great return on your money.

[Flacks]

Please God let this be true. There will be fertile fishing grounds for quite sometime if this passes. PLEASE!

I will be a nightly resident at eh HR if this ever happens. Not real hopefull though since its been a rumor for so long but at least there a glimmer of hope.

[Russ M.]

Anybody know when this would be confirmed? I know the date in the bill says July 1st but would it be confirmed before that?

[flafishy]

Legislative session ends May 4.

[NY60]

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Anybody know when this would be confirmed? I know the date in the bill says July 1st but would it be confirmed before that?

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Legislative session in FL ends in May. Bills are passed before session ends and they are generally slated to become effective in July so we should know very very soon one way or the other.

[Jeff_B]

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OP
are you in florida because after read this I would love to hang out with you along with a few other 2+2ers in florida im sure...

[/ QUOTE ]Im sometimes in FL, maybe we chill sometime.

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LOL i just said that because I am sure a bunch of people are sick of seeing these florida threads with little to no proof and nothing happening...
but yeah im in tampa and florida is a big state..

[LotteryOrPoker]

I am headed to Tampa/St. Pete for a week this summer. You really got my hopes up! /images/graemlins/mad.gif