50nl AKs

[prodonkey]

Guy 4 betting is 30/20/5

Should this be a fold or a shove?

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<font color="#C00000">BB ($47.35)</font>
UTG ($41.70)
MP ($21.25)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($56.80)</font>
SB ($59.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $11</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??????

[fees]

This is atleast a call... the raise is really smallish so, he could be an idiot, you have position, make the call and play the flop

[danny8]

my standard line would be to fold... how many hands is this over? hes kinda laggy but i still think this is AA/KK nearly always... I dunno, if you've been 3betting a fair amount then i might just push

[danny8]

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This is atleast a call... the raise is really smallish so, he could be an idiot, you have position, make the call and play the flop

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i really hate calling this.. i know your in position.. but the pots gonna be &gt;$22 with $36 left to play for, you dont have a very large advantage with position at all. he might possibly get away from QQ if an A or K falls, and possibly KK if an A flops + you're still getting stacked by AA KK if a K flops

push or fold pf

[fees]

Don't push you have zero fold equity, if you won't call fold

[LOwrestling2001]

as crappy as it is, I'd say this is a fold, because people don't really 4b light @ 50nl. A typical villains' 4b range includes AA, KK, and AK, so you are at best chopping here, but the other times you are crushed.

[prodonkey]

Definetly.. calling wasn't an option for me. I had quite a few of these hands today where someone cold 4 bet me. Which I think is quite a bit different then if the original raiser 4 bet me.. I'm guessing most of the time at these limits it's going to signify extreme strength.. as most people aren't going to try some weird squeeze vs a bettor and a 3 bettor with crap. As I'm looking at it now and thinking about it, it seems like a clear fold, wasn't so sure at the time though.

[synbad13]

I would call.
You're paying $6 into a $24BB pot. He might very well have aces-tens. He's less likely to hold AA or KK considering your hand. Good chance he has a hand like QQ. If he has any hand other than AA, you have immediate odds to call (I think KK is pretty close at 4-1).
Obiously be ready to fold to a lot of flops, but your hand is strong enough that I think folding to a min raise is wrong.
I would rate: 1.Calling, 2. AI 3. Fold 4. min raise back!!!!

[prodonkey]

He didn't min raise it back.. I made it 3.50 more than original raise.. he made it 6 more than mine. I don't think there's a good chance he has QQ often here. How often do you cold 4 bet QQ out of your blinds?

Yes I'm getting 4:1 but is that enough? I'm only going to hit something on the flop like 1 in 3 times.. if he has AA or KK way less than that.. and if he has QQ I doubt I'm getting paid if A or K flops.. and if an ace flops he's not paying me off with KK. Seems I'm usually going to win a small pot.. or lose a big one.. possibly flip with QQ if I shove preflop.

[crushednuts]

Fold...BB doesn't do this w/ anything other than AA, KK, QQ or AK with a heavy slant toward AA. I think QQ would have RRed more. It looks to me like he is begging for someone to push over his raise. Maybe if he was a donkey he would do this w/ AK or QQ but if not i think you can find a better spot

[TJgniL]

I agree w/ folding this unless I have a read. This is almost always AA/KK, sometimes AK/QQ and you won't get paid by KK/QQ when you out flop them.

[Machavelli]

I would raise a bit more pre-flop (6 or 7) and shove after his 3bet.

[prodonkey]

Why do you want to raise so big? 5 was prolly more than a pot sized raise as it was.

[Machavelli]

I guess re-looking at it 7 is probably too much. I probably make it 6 because I like to be aggressive and get money in the middle.