50NL: AA w/ awkward stacks

[Brian O'Nolan]

MP has TAG stats, CO is unknown. This would be a standard 4bet except for odd stack sizes- although looking it over again MP is a lil deeper than I thought and I should probly 4bet. Anyway... given pf... CO most likely either loves/hates this flop and is shoving/folding regardless of what I do, so I look to get a bet out of MP. Meh... thoughts?


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Button ($105)
Hero ($113.50)
BB ($37.95)
UTG ($41.85)
MP ($39.30)
CO ($27.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $3.50.

Flop: ($15.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.5</font>

[fees]

its a risky play letting them in, but since you did you're weak lead here is perfect for inducing all in's.

[losingdonkey]

you need to 4bet preflop

[RMLewis]

4betting pf is better because you dont want AA in a multi-way pot, esp when you're deep stacked. Use your stack to bully opponents headsup

[slickss]

You're in SB against 2 players - 4-bet preflop.

As played I would check the flop. I only see you up against AK or pocket pairs. So check to allow pocket pairs to "see where they are at" or the AK to bet. Then raise.

[juanepr]

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4betting pf is better because you dont want AA in a multi-way pot, esp when you're deep stacked. Use your stack to bully opponents headsup

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Effective stacks are &lt; 100bb, so this is not a deepstacked situation.

I do agree that I hate AA multiway, but 2 opponenets is not that bad. I like the lead, although I'd make it 2/3 pot not 1/2. CO is kind of short, so it would not be surprising for him to shove. MP is the one to worry about. I'd still call a shove from MP (regardless of what CO does) just because he did not re-raise preflop, which minimizes the chances of KK. If he has 99 or 55 then I pay him off.

[edit: a c/r on th flop would be OK too, I mix these up]

[Waingro]

I like a 4bet ai pf. CO isn´t folding anything he is 3betting for 50 bbs. I can´t see any value in letting MP see a flop.

[ADK]

4 bet this every time, as played pot flop, call an AI.

[DannyOcean_]

4bet is automatic pf, but given that you didnt, most likely one of them connected with AK and i check to allow him to fire. IF he has AK you are getting his stack whether you lead or not, but if he has QQ, JJ, etc. then checking will probably pick up a cbet.

[Michael Fish]

Yeah with deepstacks 4 bet and get to HU. With standard stack sizes I think I'd be more inclinded to call and beat the [censored] out of a friendly flop as people usually play so badly in big pots with lesser overs and TP it's worth it.

[SirFelixCat]

Are you guys 4-betting KK or QQ here? I'm thinking yes on the KK, but no on the QQ?

[Gustav]

I would 4 bet with JJ+ and AK against a shortstacked unknown.

[barryc83]

I dont think pf is terrible, but it shouldnt be your standard play. I'd play this hand soft bc I'm never thinking about folding. I check the flop, hopefully CO cbets it, if he does, I just call hoping that MP comes along. On the turn I'd check again and let CO bet, if he bets, I crai and if he checks, I open shove river. If the flop checks through, lead 2/3 pot on the turn.

[ama0330]

Id probably make a small 4bet to $15, just to induce the push from CO. A big 3bet like this from a shortstack means he wants to play. However you havent played this terribly, its just not what I would do.

As played I like the lead here, We can check and let CO cbet, but the point is that any hand he bets on this flop hes at least calling our bet with, if not pushing over the top anyway. Given that there are two people behind you it would be a disaster to have this checked through.

[uppie_]

2 schools of thought, on this one, you can just call behind, as when the king flops you would have lost all your money to KK anyway had you got it in pre. If you going ot lead a dry flop I would have 4 bet pre.

[SoulPower]

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4 bet this every time, as played pot flop, call an AI.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm with Gustav, 4 betting with JJ+, AK against shorties OOP.

For everyone talking about being deepstacked, effective stacks are what matters. Both opponents have &lt;100 BBs which make stack sizes awkward, but being deepstacked is not a concern.

[Scuba Chuck]

Interesting responses.

Given the way you played preflop, on this board, I would probably open check, and call the 2 way allin that likely follows.